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Kit Mutation Load: 92...
  • I recently had a filly born that had a kit mutation load of 92. I noticed this was pretty high and was worried that if I bred her it could lead to a potentially lethal white. Is there a way to avoid that?
    Majestic Gaits Farm
    Home of the Holdenburgs
    ID# 17523
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    Majestic Gaits Farm
    Home of the Holdenburgs
    ID# 17523
  • You will have to breed her to a horse with out any white of any type. That includes w20, any of the Sabinos, any of the Whites. Tobiano should be ok, and roan. But I'd make sure that any stud you breed her to in the future, are pre-tested for their genes so you can tell if they have any lethal genes that will cause a lethal death of a foal.
    I don't think any of the splashes will be a problem, but I am unsure about that.
    Thanked by 1Dixieland789
  • See on her image how she has tons of white on her. That is what you should be eyeballing. More white = more lethal.

    W is a very high white gene. Tobi and roan could both lead to lethal foals if the stud you breed her too also has a lot of white markings. Splash and frame increase the risk.

    I'd check this chart as a reference.
    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/13757/new-kit-lethality-and-kit-mutation-load-explained#Item_11
  • Thanks Ammit, I wasn't sure on the Splash, and the part of Tobi and roan is a surprise. I guess I was thinking that they are not lethal together, but the fact that they add more white would be a problem. Thanks for clearing that up for me!
  • I had two foals with a mutation load of 82 and I think 85. Not as high but still pretty extreme
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    Barn ID 4953
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  • Yeah, I figured. Is it just safer not to breed her or should I just breed her strictly to horses with the lowest chance of a lethal combo?
    Majestic Gaits Farm
    Home of the Holdenburgs
    ID# 17523
  • Dixie I would breed her to horses without any patterns at the Kit locus. Both Appy and Rabicano are safe with high Kit Load as far as I know, so you can still breed her to patterned horses. Alternatively you can breed her to a solid colored horse. Just make sure whatever you cross her with, it's color tested so you know exactly what you're getting into! All three of those options should be safe--she can only pass on one of her Kit patterns so if the stallion doesn't pass on any Kit pattern, I would think you would be pretty safe. As Ammit has said, splash and frame still increase the "white Load" and could still be unsafe with such a high load in that filly, so I would avoid them as well.

    Put more simply, your filly is almost completely whited out. You want to breed her to a stallion who has at least as much color as she has white (so one that has almost no markings at all) to counteract her high gene breakage and get a foal that is healthier and safer to breed. That is what Ammit meant about us being able to start to tell visually whether a combo is safe or not. Two horses that are mostly white aren't going to be safe together. Two horses that are about half white each are may be risky. Two horses with minimal patterns are probably going to be safe to breed to each other.
    Thanked by 2Dixieland789 Ammit
  • Okay. That makes sense. Thank you, Cheers!
    Majestic Gaits Farm
    Home of the Holdenburgs
    ID# 17523
  • Dixie,
    Just for curiosity sake, when Ammit put out the new chart she has listed above, I bred a horse over on HJ1 to see how it went, and got a horse with a Kit Mutation of 98. I'm planning on breeding her to only pure solid studs, with no white factor or kit factors, Nothing Blingy, lol.
    Here she is. Her name is White Wonder.

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  • WF won't mater as long as you breed her to studs with no KIT mutations. It takes at least a second mutation to cause a lethal foal no mater the white factor.
    Thanked by 2Dixieland789 Cheers

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