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How to breed something worthwhile?
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I don't understand how I can get a decent foal. I have a bunch of mares in the pasture but there are no stallions for sale that are good enough for breeding. Everything I breed out of the pasture ends up spayed/gelded. ????
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I've just taken a quick glance at a few of your mares. I don't know what you have in pasture, but what I saw was a mix of foundations, even gen 2s and 3s, and uneven mares (often uneven gen 7 x Foundation mare). Like I said, I don't know what is in your pasture but you're not going to find just one stallion to serve all of those mares.
I encourage players to just play around with anything that interests them at first in this game, and then to pick something to focus on and try to breed it well. The best way to breed something well is to start from foundations rather than to try to build up an upper generation herd with the castoffs of other players (you have to assume they are keeping their best offspring in their own herds and what you are getting is second quality at best...).
If you decide to start with foundations, I'd highly recommend that you start looking for a stallion in the Foundation Rescue. I just had a quick look and there are some really good looking boys available. All horses in the foundation rescue are Perfect Foundation quality (even if they aren't from a PF herd helper) meaning that they have 100% breeding and showing ability. It's also a great place to look for good Foundation mares. Here is a link to the stallion search I just did there.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=1&status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&f_limit=25&stallion=1&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=13&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1&offset=25&offset=0
Other than that, your best bet would be to try to breed like Paper levels. If your mares have the full pasture bonus you have a good chance if you are breeding apples to apples...but if you're trying to breed the mares I saw to *Star Papered high gen stallions, the mares just aren't good enough.
Like paper levels are:
Yellow = C
Red = B
Blue = A
*Gold = *Star.
Obviously there are degrees of quality within each paper level, which is where comparison testing becomes so important with colts. Even generations give you a better idea of where your breeding stock may be relative to each other, especially if you know they have all been bred to the same standard (i.e., all pasture bred, or all from a boosted foundation stallion...)
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Thank you so much for the reply! Unfortunately I am even more confused lol. Can you please go over one of my horses and explain to me what their strengths & weaknesses are and how to see that? I'm only seeing "Consistent" or not and the number (ie 9.6). Truly appreciate your time.
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That number is a Performance Test result. That horse will gain 9.6 points with every training session they have. (Training sessions happen once a week)
Consistent means that their performance is predictable....you can expect them to perform slightly better than they did last week.
Inconsistent means that the horse runs more 'hot and cold'. When they are hot, they are REALLY hot and get all the points available. When they are cold they are 'meh'. They still perform ok, but they might place lower and miss out on some points.Thanked by 1HeritageStables -
But what does this mean?
" mix of foundations, even gen 2s and 3s, and uneven mares (often uneven gen 7 x Foundation mare)" -
A foundation horse is one that has been created on the Create a Horse page. It has no named parents or ancestors when you look at its Family tab. Such a horse, if it remains intact--a stallion or a mare--can be the start of a new line of game horses.
2nd generation horses are bred by a player. They have a named sire and dam on their family page, and no other named ancestors. Even 2nd gen means that both the sire and the dam of the horse were foundation horses.
3rd generation horses have both parents and grandparents on their family page.
The family page only shows images up to great-grandparents. If any of these have a + beside their name and paper level, you can click on the link above the pictures that says "View full pedigree." This takes you to a formal pedigree page that shows all of the horse's named ancestors.
A horse is called uneven when it's ancestors are not all from the same generation, that is, it's dam may be a foundation horse and its sire a 7th generation horse. Most likely, the sire is going to be a much better breeder than the dam, because he has a longer string of ancestors behind him, and most players are trying to improve the abilities of their horses as the generations increase.
When the breeding ability of sire and dam are widely separated, it becomes more difficult to get intact foals, especially now that all foals abilities are compared with those of both parents, not just the parent of the same gender.
A 7th gen stallion crossed with a foundation mare will give you show horses that may have higher abilities than a foundation-foundation cross, though, and some players will use this kind of breeding deliberately to increase the ability of their show horses.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592Thanked by 1HeritageStables -
Some other discussion that might help:
Best one -
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/7862/at-what-point-does-039evenness039-stop-mattering#Item_7
Pictures -
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/10331/uneven-breeding-lines#Item_10
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/14259/horse-generation-breeding-and-even-ness#Item_10
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Confluence and Sandy got there before me, but if you have any more questions please ask! And if there are any horses you have specific questions about, please add a link to them and ask (the link you need is at the bottom of the horse's individual page)