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deardiamond · Jul 26, 2017 2:39 AM

I need help culling my stallions, I have far too many.

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I already culled by paper. All have been through SBA. Not sure where to go next. Note that I'm not breeding for any certain colors, only aiming for good quality. Another note is that I'm at a measly 20hb so comparison testing is out for now.

Should I cull those with PT above 10 for my show herd? Or are those more likely to be good stallions and I should cull those with bad PTs? I know PT has nothing to do with breeding ability, but I've seen a lot of posts saying that you should aim for 0.4 PT increase in generations.

Unrelated question, I thought that closed genes could be sold on public auctions if the horse was spayed/gelded? I have a few macchiato geldings
I don't want but the game wont let me auction them.

ObsidianKitsune · Jul 26, 2017 2:48 AM

deardiamond, you should be able to use the closed/fantasy gene sell back. You get 2500 instantly from that. It's like selling to the auction bidder without the auction.

Cheers · Jul 26, 2017 3:04 AM

If you haven't already you could cull for consistency (all inconsistent snipped).

I noticed several colts have Frame. If you also have Frame in your girls, you could cull Frame out of your boys to eliminate that lethal combination.

If any of them were Best Pasture Foal then I would keep them intact for sure.

High Five Acres · Jul 26, 2017 4:24 AM

You've got several C papered boys in there that could be culled. Lots of people breed for certain PT scores based on generation or, like Cheers said, consistency or color. I Like my 2G studs to have a PT score of 10 or above with the exception of rare/limited edition genes, which I am a bit more lenient. Of my stallions with special genes, I usually keep only those that got the gene. If I have a W8 stud that throws 15 intact colts, I start with paper level, then comparison test, then look for the ones that got W8 and if I'm still stuck, I will cull the ones with genes I'm not that excited about (Frame, roan, etc) or those that have excessive amounts of white or W20 that could end up producing lethal white foals. Sometimes I just can't bare to geld some of the super pretty ones, but I have a bit of a hording problem!

Or you can just pick the one you like to look at the most! Any way you choose to cull is the right way for you. :)

best friend · Jul 26, 2017 4:49 AM

Don't worry. It takes sometime to figure out how you will cull. I am in the same boat and am about to go on a massive snip snip and then auction sell I think.
I cull by paper level. Something else you could use is height. Are you breeding just for everything or do you have specific goals in mind. I am headed back to two specific lines sport ponies and warm bloods. So I am starting to look at height.

ElementalStables · Jul 26, 2017 6:29 AM

I second High Five Acres - you have a few C papered boys that you could snip.

The 0.4 PT increase is for AFPT - ideally you'd like to see a filly with an AFPT 0.4 points higher than her mom, same with colts, etc. I personally NEVER factor PT into a decision of whether or not to keep a stud. The only time I think it'd make sense is if you have 2 studs that are otherwise identical and you absolutely only can keep 1, I'd geld the higher PT stud to keep for a shower. Otherwise I'd ignore PT with studs.

If you're breeding just for quality and don't care about colour/bone size/height/etc. then I'd echo Cheers and say look at consistency. If you still have too many studs after consistency and paper, comparison testing really is the only way to know at this point without having bred them to look at AFPT.

deardiamond · Jul 26, 2017 9:40 AM

The C papered boys are in auction already, I shouldve mentioned that! Thanks everyone for your input! I'll try consistency and I'll take a closer look at the genes they have for frame or other lethal combos I may have. After that I guess I'll just have to save up for comparison testing!

deardiamond · Jul 28, 2017 12:36 PM

Okay so the C papered boys are gone, and only one B boy was inconsistent, and he's in the auction now. I guess that leaves me with one choice: comparison testing. However, I've never done that before and don't quite now how to best go about it! I know they will all be superior to their sires, since they are all B papered, so who should I comp test them to? The BOP? I see a lot of people talking about a "benchmark stallion", but how do you choose which one to be your benchmark?

Stone Run Stables · Jul 28, 2017 12:47 PM

Personally, I chose my benchmark by comparison testing all my colts that papered to my liking. the B paper has a vast breeding ability range. My 2G benchmark is the most superior B papered colt I have (I do have an A papered 2G boy so I like to keep my expectations rather high to keep a small stud herd). I cull colts that are not superior or AGA him. From there I usually have a couple colts that are AGA that benchmark. I then cull for color, usually gelding the ones that have frame or a large amount of kit genes.

ElementalStables · Jul 28, 2017 7:15 PM

They actually won't all necessarily test superior to sire even though they all paper better than their sire - some may be low Bs and therefore test as good as their sires.

You have a few options - randomly pick 1 colt as your current benchmark and geld anything that tests worse than, set aside anything that's as good as, and then geld him and all the 'as good as' colts if you find one that tests superior to him. Or you could test them all against their sires first to ensure that you only look for ones that are superior to sire.

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