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- Abbey Road January 2016
- Cheers January 2016
- hiddenvfarm January 2016
- MoonAcre Stables January 2016
- PaintsStables January 2016
- Ritsika January 2016
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Choosing a stallion
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How do you all choose your stallions?
I have been watching discussions and has me thinking. I mainly have foundations right now. But have alot of 2g foals I will need to breed.
Not sure how to move ahead with stallion foals. I don't need alot of my 2g but they are consistent and Bs. So kinda not sure where to go -
Culling colts is the hardest thing to do in my opinion!
i should say to start that more than half of my foundation stallions are Rank Specials or Perfect Foundations, and that any further foundation stallion that I create or buy will also be one of these two.
For my gen 2s, I cull anything that papers C. (After GA and SAT, obviously).
Then I look at the pasture email if I pasture bred. I find the best foal and if it's a colt that gives me another point of reference in my herd. If I love that colt and it has good colors I want and it's B papered, I then compare it to my Gen 2 benchmark colt. If the new colt compares As Good As my benchmark, he's named and stays.
If my pasture foal is a filly or if I've hand bred the colts, I PT everyone and cull anyone who PTs below my cutoff. Then I geld or put up for sale anyone who didn't get the colors I want. Then I have to just start going on gut instinct...but I usually pick the colt I like the best color wise and compare it to my benchmark. If I have hidden colors in that herd (like satin or Pearl carriers), sometimes I color test before I start comparison testing.
Comparison testing is rough. It's super expensive and can be really frustrating. In general I try to pick lower PT foals to compare first, since the higher PT ones will make better show ponies.
I try to get down to 2 or fewer colts from each of my "lines" each season, selling my excess or gelding them and using them as show ponies. As I'm getting further into my gen 2s, I'm going to be able to start looking at colts of breedable age from the same lines and culling even further. That said, in some lines I still don't have colts that compare AGA my benchmark that carry the genes I want (Wish is hell...he won't give me a sooty+ satin colt that compares AGA!!!). -
I second everything Cheers said, although I think I do a lot more comparing and less PT testing in lower generations.
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Thanks guys:-)
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How do you decide on a benchmark colt? Is it by PT? I've seen this reference before but I don't know how to go about deciding which colt to pick.
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In November I didn't understand how the pasture emails worked. I bred all my pastures at once and the best foal happened to be a colt. He's a plain dark bay, but he's now my benchmark foal and he's really quite hard to get past on the comparison tests. I happen to also own an A papered gen 2 stallion and Star compares AGA him, so he's almost an A.
I don't know how other people pick their benchmarks...I really just got lucky. -
I was going to post that question soon too Ritsika.
I don't know how to go about picking benchmarks lol -
I am not very speedy on gelding or papering. And I show all of them from when they are born. I have so many horses, that by showing them, I am making a lot of hb's each week. I don't care if they stay stallions for a while or what they paper until they get to breeding age, and some times past breeding age. I have started going through them this week, so mI still have some 'C' papers that need snipping. But, when I do get around to going through them.... If all my 2g's are 'B' and compare, 'as good as' or 'superior.' then I breed them 3 times, and see which is better. Snip the others.
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First, can't say this enough, PT has nothing to do with breeding ability. The FOAL's PT can give you information about the parents' breeding abilities, but never cull a breeding horse based on its own PT.
I develop a benchmark by comparing. It's expensive initially, but once you have that stallion established, you don't have to do extensive comparing of this foal to that foal, just compare to benchmark.
It's helpful if you've got an exceptional foundation to start. That would include rank specials, or horses that have been picked up from Foundation Rescue. Those are generally the best this game has to offer. Compare your foundation stallions to that horse.
When you get to a new generation where you don't have a benchmark yet, compare to sire. Obviously, you want your next gen to be better than the last. Like Cheers mentioned, pasture breeding can be a huge help if your best foal happens to be a stallion. If he's not up to snuff, bite the bullet and geld everybody.
If you're working with 2nd gen, and you're pasture breeding full-bonus mares and an exceptional stallion (rank special or rescue), your best stallion is probably going to be an excellent benchmark, which would save you a lot of expensive comparing.
3rd gen, if you're doing strict quality breeding and expecting A stallions, is easier, because you'll cull a BUNCH because they're not A. 4th gen is important to establish a benchmark and compare, because you'll get a mix of quality A's and lower quality A's. If you've been doing strict quality breeding through all of those gens you may get *Star stallions at 5th gen, especially if you can trace back to a B foundation. Definitely expect *Star by 6th gen. -
Another option would be to buy lined stallions who compare AGA benchmark from someone you respect in the game and use them as your benchmark until you get a homebred that is better, then make them your mark!
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Okay so this is what I'm thinking based off of what was suggested.
For a foundation benchmark I'll use one of my rank special boys.
Should I compare them to each other to see whos the best out of them or are they all usually about the same quality?
For a second generation - this next season (since I hadn't known much about it this season)
I will check my email every time I breed my pasture. Take all of the "best foals" that are colts and compare them to each other to find the best. He will be my benchmark for all of my second generations. Even past 2nd gens. Everyone will be compared to him over time to weed out the lower quality ducklings lol.
And then go from there but for right now second generation is what I'm most worried about.
Does this sound like an alright plan or does it need tweaking? -
Sounds like a good plan to me. My understanding is that all the rank specials, perfect foundations, Top Notch Producers and foundation rescue horses should have very similar, very high for foundation breeding ability.
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Your rank specials will probably compare AGA, I wouldn't bother. But do use them to compare to new foundation stallions that aren't rank specials or rescue. The rest of your plan sounds pretty solid.
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Awesome! That makes me happy. This is something I've been worrying about so its a relief to have a plan and a good one at that lol. Thank you guys for your guidance I appreciate it!