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@ApollosLegacy 5k for the first, 10k for the mare, 10k for the filly? Feel free to counteroffer if that doesn't suit you.
Neither the mare nor filly have, or will, pass BA/SBA. The mare is boostrapped, the filly is technically even but papered too low to keep. She'll suit a bootstrap operation for all those gorgeous genes but wouldn't do well breeding to others of her generation.

@ApollosLegacy It depends on what you breed them to. They take no penalty for being bootstrapped, if that's what you mean. You'd just need to match paper for best chance at intacts, just like any other horse. Thorns is probably a medium/high blue, so pair her with an A that's got a generation or two of A/blue behind him. The yellow filly is probably (hopefully) a high yellow, so a PF stud and/or any yellow foundie boy would probably be your best chance of intacts.

For the second, though, if you want to bring the papering up, you can breed her to a star stud, and you'd hopefully get a red or blue filly from that. That you wouldn't want to BA, but you'd bring papering up much faster and might even get a gold within two or three generations of breeding to stars.

The key to remember about BA/SBA is that it doesn't actually tell you the base quality of a horse. It tells you the quality relative to the parents. That means if the foal is a significant improvement over one parent, but still falls short of the other, it'll get snipped by BA/SBA because the testing only knows to make sure the foal is within at least X number of percentage points of the parents.

I'll add them to my chat for you!

@ApollosLegacy Glad to help! The way you tell is half guessing, half educated guessing, lol.

To start with, a perfect foundation is a C, and has 100% breeding ability. A 1% boost will change them to a B, so 101% breeding ability is where B starts and would be the lowest B. An ExPerf/ExPro horse is a B, but 105%. A 5% boost will bring them up to an A paper, so 110% breeding ability is the lowest A, an ExPerf is a mid B, and that's about all we know for sure.

Beyond that, generally if a horse that's papered B has a B/red parent set and passed SBA, they're at least as high if not higher than the parents. If an A has a generation or two of A/blue behind them and are capable of throwing star/gold foals, they're a high A. You look at the parents and offspring both to figure out their rough percentage within their paper. In the case of colts, you can also compare to others to figure it out. I have a second gen B out of C/yellow parents, which could be anything from 101 to 110%, however, I comp tested him to an experf stud I keep around for such purposes and he tested AGA, which means he's a mid B (to within a percentage point or two). I have another colt that's an A papered second gen (out of B/red foundies) that tests AGA a B papered colt from the same parents. That means the A is very low and the B is very high, so likely a 110% and 109% or something of the sort. I could tell exactly by boosting the B colt if I so chose, 1% at a time until he became an A, etc.

Does that answer that? I feel like that was a bit rambly, lol. If you have any questions keep asking :D

@ApollosLegacy Ah whoops, abbreviations, sorry! ExPerf is the Exceptionally Perfect herd helper, and ExPro is any herd helpers that start with Exceptional Producing - so Exceptional Producing Appaloosa, Exceptional Producing Rabicano, etc - expro appy, expro rb. There's also one that's just "Exceptional Producer". Either way, all of those end up being B/red papered foundations. They're roughly equivalent to where a good 2G out of C/yellow should be.

@ApollosLegacy Hmm... join the bootstrap chat so you can ask questions, SBA colts (they make great PT show ponies), turn off testing for fillies so you don't slip up, use pasture bonus if possible, the higher the star stud you can find the better (a line of star/gold parents/grandparents+), and compare filly papers to their dams to make sure it's going up a level at least every two gens or hopefully every gen so you know quality is improving.

I'd also set a dedicated barn for bootstraps if you can, and possibly a dedicated pasture, though neither of those is truly necessary, just makes it easier. You only need one pasture because all the mares, no matter the gen/paper, are getting bred to the same one or two or three star studs.