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Hi all,
I'm a little puzzled over which horses to breed / retain / sell etc.
I've just bred my second season of foals and looking to increase my mare numbers so will retain fillies. But there are lots of colts in the bunch! I've put them through two shows each and was going to retain stallions / geldings for showing if they won two out of two shows and sell the colts who place second in both.
Inconsistent stallions / geldings are to be auctioned and inconsistent mares to be retained for breeding.
Is this a good strategy? I'm aware that I need to breed foals to earn money and also to have good show horses.
AND when is it a good idea to stop a show horse? When it gets into the negatives?
Is there anything else I'm missing?
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Its all a matter of opinion. What i do is if i get a colt who papers lower than his sire i usually geld and sell but i keep any filliesLife is Special live it to your fullest
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You can't really tell much about how a foal will end up as a show prospect. They don't train, so their scores stay the same (within the bounds of their degree of consistency). Even more important, when there are only 2 horses in a show, the results are almost 100% the luck of the draw that places two horses in the same class. Some people show foals about 4 times just to see where their starting score is likely to be, making it easier to estimate how they will progress with training as they age.
Success in showing is now based not so much on winning classes and profits from the cash prizes gathered as it is on having horses showing in big enough classes that they will gather the points awarded to all but the horse that comes in last. These points are retained throughout a horse's life span and continue to accumulate every time it is shown (unless it's last consistently). Every week when you get your weekly pay you will also receive a weekly showing bonus which is currently 75% of the total points your horses have gathered. That doesn't seem like much when you don't have many horses and they don't have a lot of points, but, as your stable grows and you continue to show horses that are getting older and showing in larger classes, you will eventually reach the point where your showing bonus more than compensates for any profit losses from individual show payouts.
The best time to stop showing a horse is when it has leveled off and is no longer increasing its show score with training AND it is coming in dead last time after time in its classes. Then take it out of the show string and decide if it has enough points that it is adding to your showing bonus just by being in your barn.
Take a look at this horse of mine.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=121898
He is 16 years old and ranks number 20 (out of 2043) in my herd for total lifetime points with 787 at this moment. That means that he will contribute at least 590 hbs to next Sunday's showing bonus. He is currently placing somewhere in the middle of Level 4W. He's in the plus column for profits, but not by much, since his lifetime profits are only 28 hbs. If I only looked at profits, I would wonder if he is worth keeping, but by looking at the whole picture, I know that he is. I'm sure that at one time his profits were definitely in the negative, but he outgrew that eventually and is now earning his oats. *G*De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592 -
I never stop showing a horse unless it consistently places last, especially if they have some points.
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This is really educational! I , like a lot of the newbies, am struggling to pocket enough hbs to increase my string of horses at the moment. This will help me make decisions about some of the stallions I don't want to breed from and about the neutered horses I already have in my show string. I love the complexity of this game! Balancing the need to earn some hbs with my desire to breed for certain colors and my overwhelming curiosity about some of the herd helpers means this game will keep me interested for a long time to come!
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In the long term, you should be keeping a significant amount of show stock. The more points you have total in your barn, the bigger your weekly bonus will be (you can see this info on your home stable page). This takes a while. Keep some of those gelds/spays as show stock and eventually they will earn a handsome bonus. And, obviously, the bigger your show string, the more points you have, so if you can add some barns to keep show stock, you will earn more.
If you are creating foundation horses specifically to spay/geld and show, be sure to make them yearlings, so that they are earning show points from day one.
In the short term, you can create and auction horses for a little extra cash. It's not terribly profitable though, unless you hit the lottery big.
Pastures are great for making some short term cash. Horses bred in the pasture cost 500 to breed as opposed to 1000 for horses bred by hand. If you breed and then auction you should make 1800 a head. (once the auction takes its fees I think you make 2300, though I might be off on that).