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  • I started CT testing my boys to help me thin them out. The foundation boys were easy. I CTed to one of my foundation and if they didn't compare AGA they were auctioned off. I'm having trouble with my 2nd gen though. I picked a colt who was the best of 41 foals. That's the largest group breeding I have done to date. A few didn't make the cut, and believe there was a lot of holding my breath while testing. Two surprised me though and compared superior and I had forgotten about a colt I got from Cheers who also compared superior. All three of those colts compared AGA each other. Now I'm left with decisions that I don't want to make. There are so many nice boys. I really want to cry. I know what I should do but I need someone to tell me I'm doing the right thing by getting out the snipers or please tell me it's possible to have set the standard to high.


    Two boys who will not make the cut
    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=359006
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    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=361135
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    The three boys who compared superior
    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=362821
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    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=320141
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    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=373606
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  • Please don't snip nexus! I would die to have a nexus
  • No, the nexus boy was one of the three who compared superior.
  • Well, you have a nice choice of stallions with the 3 new benchmarks, but the other two are really nice too. I would either sell them to people who are looking for new blood in their lines, since they are good, or breed them to see how good of foals they throw, and if you are not satisfied with their results, you can always spay any of their foals and them later.

    I would be interested in either one of them, except I have no money to offer a decent price at the moment, lol.
  • I agree with what KerredansCorral said. I had never bothered comparison testing my 2nd gens to each other before; I just assumed if they went up a paper level, they would be fine. About half a year ago (when I had more hbs to play around with), I started comparison testing, and found some were superior over others. But the non-superior ones were still able to produce 'bench-mark' 3rd gens. This guy is an example of this: http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=139697.
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  • Well, that makes me feel better. I'll probably hold on to them and grow them out then. If I don't get a colt who compares AGA the new benchmark with the genes like these guys then I'll use them :)
  • Speaking of bench marks, how do you choose a stud as a benchmark? Just keep comparing, and pick one that stands in the top of the third quarter of everyone?
  • I say snip, snip, snip! You can REALLY tell the difference in quality down the line. There have been several times I've kept a horse I knew was not up to quality because I was in love with something about him, and the line suffers. Hold your breath and snip ONE colt now, save yourself having to snip tons and tons of babies down the line. That's IF you're breeding for quality. Mantra: There's always next season, and there will always be another colt! Once you've been playing a while you have colts coming out your ears. Seriously.

    As far as finding your benchmark, start with high quality foundations, either rescue or rank special, and compare your foundations to one of those. The best pasture foal email helps when you're starting out, if it's a stud you already know who your best stallion is. It takes a little comparing to find the best of the best, and that's expensive at the outset, but once you've got benchmark you can compare every foal to him ONCE and be done with it, rather than having to compare foals from the same batch to each other. Usually, your best benchmark will be from one of those rank special/rescue stallions, but not always.

    Is it possible to set the standard too high? Almost no. If you have a boy who is either a foundation B or VERY close to it, your standard is going to be tough. Cheers and I were discussing this. Her benchmark 2nd gen is, I think, an A, or really close. The problem a high benchmark might be, you're going to get a lot of spays and geldings (because the mares' quality and the stallions' quality are different), and if you're culling mares who can't produce intact offspring with your stallions, you'll cull a lot of mares if your benchmark is very high. Chances are, you're not going to have that problem unless you're starting with an ExPro quality (B papered) foundation, though. And ultimately, the quality of your lines can only benefit from culling mares who don't match up.

    SNIP! If you're not in love, if he doesn't make the cut, YOU make the cut. ;)

    That includes Nexus and everything else!!

    Snip those not quite good enough favorites, keep them, make yourself a barn full of favorite show ponies so you can go ogle them and pet them.
  • Wow the chestnut out of two grullos must have been a surprise! :)
  • Yup, Abbey is right, soon you will have colts coming out of your ears, lol! I am culling my 3rd gen colts at the moment, and my 3 year & up population just dropped from 83 to 45 (and I'm not quite done yet). My problem now though (or is it an actual problem ;) ), I just compared a colt to my bench mark, and that colt compared better then my bench mark. I feel I now need to compare all my current 'aga bench mark' boys to the newly superior colt.
    #110
  • Because I had such a high alter rate last time I went through stallions, because their easier and I could do that right away. I used my Brindle Brake Out and my PF stallion as benchmarks and culled out a bunch of foundations. Now I can really start culling foundations mares in the next few months because I know my foundation stallions are the best they can be. The chestnut was a big surprise. I'm not really sure what I'm going to do with him either but I'm not going to part with him because he compared superior to the old benchmark. I need to make notes on his parents pages too. It was also a surprise because his parents are nothing special. This is really going to hurt snipping these boys. I guess I'll just take it one colt at a time and do a few a day. Maybe then it wont hurt so bad. And maybe while I'm doing it I'll get colts that compare AGA the new benchmark which will make snipping them no problem at all.
  • One of the boys who didn't make the cut was a S+ boy I bought. He compared AGA the the first benchmark so I know he wont pass when I compare his to the new benchmark. It's colts like this that snipping makes me very sad. I want to hold on to him. :(

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    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=361887
  • If you'd be sad to lose him, I'd go ahead and compare him to the new boy. "as good as" does not necessarily mean "equal to" as if on a numeric scale, from my understanding. That's why different papered stallions can compare as good as each other -- there's some wiggle room there. If the new benchmark is not hugely better than the old one (which is likely), it's possible that this guy will actually compare AGA.

    That's the way I understand it, anyway, someone holla if I'm wrong.
  • He came worse then the new benchmark............I've compared a few of the other colts to the new benchmark, that passed the old benchmark, and they all have compared worse to him. None of them have gotten AGA
  • Even this guy, who I know isn't bad because of where he comes from, compared AGA to the old benchmark and then worse to the new benchmark.

    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=320209
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  • This is really frustrating and I feel your pain. Like Abbey said, my benchmark is super super high (I have an A papered Gen 2, my Bpapered benchmark compares AGA him so he's a very high B), so i snip a LOT of colts each season. Unless I specifically say so, I don't compare colts I sell--it would make them too expensive! Even with all top stallions and lots of Red mares at the foundation level, I snip way more colts than I keep. And my satin stallions have still failed to give me a colt that passes my benchmark...but there is always next season.

    Let me know if you want a King foal that passes the comparison test next season and I will try to get you one.
  • I have some pretty good DP pastures set up for next season so I'm not to worried about getting another one. I'm just attached to these guys now and don't have a replacement in 2nd gen yet. I will probably hold off snipping them until I have one that passes. I might not snip a few and simply sell them off for create to newbies or to people who like to start lines like you all did for me to help me get started, especially because I know they really aren't horrible and could give someone a decent start. What I want to breed is "perfection" and with that goal comes a price. I just keep repeating in my head " Perfection comes with a price" and "There is always next season". I'm actually feeling a little better about it all ready, but I haven't snipped anyone...........yet.

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