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Ok thanks for the help! :)

Id sell him for about 5 to 7k less than the filly, just because mares are worth more than stallions.

No problem! :)

Oh, no! I’m really sorry that happened, I didn’t know she was uneven or paper blue. :(( I’m really really sorry :(( I hope you don’t think that was a scam or anything, I really had no clue. :((

Gracie, you did your best to find out a legitimate price for the filly, and did everything you could to assure it was fair. Ceffyl knew what she was doing when she bought her and chose to take the risk.

I wasn't mad (and am still not mad) and didn't think it was a scam just wanted to point out she wasn't actually even bred hun so that you would know since you had her marked as evenly bred :) Sorry if I made you feel like I was calling you a scammer or anything like that, was 100% not my intent.
As both Confluence and Paradise said I knew the risk when I bought an untested filly and I should have double checked her pedigree first to confirm instead of after the purchase, that's on me :)

I picked up the colt. He papered B and was snipped by Breeding Advice. I definitely knew I was taking a gamble and decided that he'd make a flashy addition to my show herd, whatever happened when I finished testing. So, no, I'm not at all angry either. *G*

Based on this colt, here's a quick lesson on checking out the pedigrees of parents to get a reasonably good idea of whether a foal will make a good breeder, just by looking at the three generations on the Family tab, with a quick glance at the full pedigree. (Even if everything looks great, there's still a chance that the contribution from both sire and dam will swing to the lower end of the possible ranges, and there will be another show horse in the barn.)

Parents: Sire--*Star; Dam--Blue. This is a warning signal right away. These two are unevenly papered.

On the Sire's side:
Grandparents: Grandsire--*Star; Granddam--Blue. Once again an uneven breeding. It's doubtful if the Sire of the colt will be more than about as good as the grandsire, based on the granddam's papering.

Great Grandparents, Sire's line: Great Grandsire top--*Star; Great Granddam top--*Gold; Great Grandsire bottom--*Star; Great Granddam--Red. Ouch!


On the Dam's side:
Grandparents: Grandsire--A; Granddam--Blue. An even paring, but not equal papers to the sire's line.

Great Grandparents, Dam's line: Great Grandsire top--B; Great Granddam top--Red; Great Grandsire bottom--B; Great Granddam bottom--Red. Even breeding here, but the dam's line is very, very much shorter than the sire's line.

Analysis: On the sire's very long pedigree line, in the three visible generations, there has been stagnant and regressive breeding, especially visible in the dams, where one of the great granddams was Gold and the other was Red.
On the dam's side, the line is much shorter and is showing even papers and some reasonable progression in papering.

Conclusion: Any foal of this cross is likely to be neutered by either Breeding Advice or Strict Breeding Advice, and definitely by SBA.

When I started playing HaJ1 in 2011, I had a LOT of long pedigree horses with pedigrees that looked like this at least somewhere in the record. *G* It was fun playing with them, but I must admit that my long pedigree lines in that version of the game are very much stalled, and I really have little hope of getting 14+ and 15 PT's out of any of them. Right now, here in HaJ2, I haven't done much with striving for higher generation foals, and I purposely have one pasture with two unevenly bred *Star stallions and a bunch of Red and Yellow papered mares specifically to breed show horses. All the foals get neutered, but most of them have 10+ and 11+ PT scores, which is what I was looking for.

Please don't feel badly about all this. Hunt and Jump is an amazingly complex game, and it can take quite a while to learn everything about it. As you can see, I've been playing quite a number of years, and I'm still learning things from time to time. I'm pretty sure that the only person who knows everything about the game is Ammit, and that's because she created it. :D

You're very welcome. It's the sort of information that players usually pick up gradually, and it's not something that is found in the FAQ.

Because *Star and *Gold are the highest papers, there is a very, very wide range of abilities in those categories. A 10th gen *Star or *Gold might easily have a much higher Breeding Ability score than a 6th gen *Star of *Gold. The only way to tell is by tracking their Average Foal PT score. I think it's the Premium Upgrade that automatically tracks and records this on a horse's Family tab, but you can figure it manually by adding the PT scores of all the foals that have been through Performance Inspection and dividing by the number of foals.

I remember when I first started HaJ1, there was a lot of competition to get stallions at the top of the Leaderboard. The top 500 stallions in the game were listed there, and it was fun watching the very highest AFTP's slowly creep up each game year. There was great celebration when someone's top stallion pushed it over 12, and again when it went to 13. I believe the top PT in HaJ 1 is now 15.1. Here in HaJ 2, which is younger by quite a few years, the top PT has reached 14 with one foal. The top AFPT here is 14, and in HaJ 1 it is 14.8.