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Hard Culling
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Well, I have resigned myself to the fact that I really need to do a hard culling; I have too many breeders. I have so many stallions, I will never get to breed all of them, and my mares..... need thinned out to better my lines. I need to identify my benchmark boys for each generation first. Then snip all boys who are AGA their sire, or inconsistent. All mares need to be consistent, Red for 2 and 3 gen, Blue for 4 and 5 gen, and only Gold for 6 gen and up. Oh this is going to be so hard, but I need to. I am going to push myself to look past all the prettiness that is going to be culled from my lines. I have already started to do this, and snipped some hom Snowflake boys who were AGA. I may keep some horses intact for use as public brood, but that means I am going to need a Big barn to hold them all.
How do you do your Hard Culling? Looking for a little advise and inspiration here. -
This is pretty much exactly how I do mine. I'm still in the process of doing it, since I have to wait for funds to comparison test my stallions, plus I'm switching everything to RH.
But before I even LOOK at my foals, everyone gets SBA. It makes it easier on me to cull. Then I test everyone. All inconsistent foals either get yummied, sold (if good enough and pretty enough to do someone some good but not up to "my" standards-at least for some lines), or gelded/spayed and put in the show barn. Stallions all get the comparison testing. They MUST be STS to make the cut. I will eventually also test them to another stallion to make sure they are comp to their level. (second gen B from C/yellow to an exceptionally perfect stud, etc) I'm always looking for show ponies, so I can always keep a pretty boy for the show barn if I can't part with him.
Mares get three to four seasons to impress me in producing foals, and then they are culled according to AFTP and the number of gelded/spayed offspring, plus if they are consistent or inconsistent. If they are GMTd mares I'm flushing/pulling eggs from and I'm using straws with them, they get as many seasons as it takes, but their foals must pass SBA. (and it hurts, but pretty show ponies!)
I'm still working on my system. It's not perfect, and I have a long way to go before everything is 100% organized.
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When I get my foals in the barn, SBA test immediately without looking at them, without fail. It helps to lessen the initial blow, but it still hurts when you look at the snipped foals.Thanked by 1duelinghawks
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I've been in the process of doing something similar. I culled all my 3g reds and thinned out my studs! It's a long process but our lines will thank us lol
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I totally agree, Flying Stunner!
And it really will, AHayesHorses.
I know I have a long way to go to get where you both are, but I want really good quality lines when I do get there. Eventually I'd love to get to the point where all my third Gen from C/yellow are A/blue and all my second generation from my exceptional lines are A/blue, and see how it goes from there. I would love star/gold by fourth/third, but I don't know if that's possible. -
Some one, I forget who, has a 3rd gen Star!Thanked by 1DragonRun
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I just finished a big cull on HJ1. Still have some yearling colts to cut down but I’m letting them sit until I can go through my herd here.
I find the easiest way to cull is write down your goals and make your culling process into a checklist that you just work down. I’ve streamlined mine so that it doesn’t take me long when I actually sit down to do it even though the checklist I use is quite long lol. I do as much testing as I can using the bulk testing on the barn page before I even open the horses page. I also use the search a lot. I also find it super therapeutic snipping all the things lol more show horses mean more money for more foals or barns.
I breed consistent Grullos with white patterns. Each server has 2 special gene lines over the grullo.
Bulk test- SBA, performance and genetics
Cull - all non grullo and inconsistent
Bulk test- paper
Cull - C and yellow papers.
- Add prefixes for all mares left intact which indicates generation and which barns/ pastures she goes in.
- Sort mares into their barns (1generation per barn) and run through each barn sort by papers, snip lowest paper level leaving top 2 levels. Every third barn only has the top paper level left in the barn.
Using the search I open all the studs pages and look at the foal links.
-For nexus and ice studs I clear the altered boxes and put nexus or ice genes as must not have and I snip everyone on the list.
-Clearing the gene restrictions and clearing the mares I sort by paper culling the lower ones. Then I open all the colts without prefixes first and compare them to sire and record the Superior status in the notes or gens them if they are AGA or worse.
-Refreshing the search I compare the brothers against each other keeping AGA until a Superior brother comes then geld the AGA.
-I try to reduce them to 3 or less colts per stud. If there is still more than 3 after comparing the brothers I go to the only step that depends on my mood the day of. I cull the remaining by using one or more of the following:
- sort by PT and cull #4 down
- compare genes, homo preferred over het, kit genes preferred (especially double Kit as I breed KP on HJ1)
-Keep the top 3 preferred Kit genes
- snip all but the one or two horses that the picture is more pleasing to look at and therefore more likely to be picked in the future.
- Add prefixes to stud colts names and sort into barns.
- second run through of the barns to cull the bottom paper level below the top 2.
-send all the altered horses to the show barns. Add prefixes and tattoos to them when I have time.
My last cull on hj1 I went from 1400 intacts to under 1000. And the first day I went down to 140 colts and when I finished my checklist above I was down to 75. Then I opened the search and pulled up each generation and went through and culled them down to around 10 or less per generation finishing around 50 total. As I’ve said I still have a bunch of axiom colts to trim down.
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That is extremely impressive, Bandit! I can't do all that comparison testing yet, but it's definitely a goal.
I breed for KP on here. I prefer to keep my horses with sabino, roan, or Tobi. I really dislike W20. Eventually I'd love to have hom sabinos and hom tobis. But that's just me. -
Yes I need to do some culling too. I seem to have the biggest trouble culling my gen3s and 4s, gen3's especially. I've got a few red gen3's floating around I need to cull, but I still seem to have a million gen3 blues! Gen5 is easy as I can cull any blues that don't have anything that makes them special and just keep golds, once I have enough of the anyway
Stallions I'm pretty good at as they need to be superior to sire or at least meet my minimum standard for that generation. But I still end up with so many LOL, so not sure how good I am really!!
One of my problems I have no real colour restrictions, anything goes!! -
It doesn’t hurt that I started playing in 2006 on HJ1 and when I started on this server just after beta testing ended I already had a good grasp of how these games work and what I wanted to breed for.
So I was able to build my barn quickly and understanding the importance of show horses I made that my first priority. Both my barns have been self sufficient for a really long time and through the years I haven’t always played a lot but I did keep my subscription so my barns have always been showing and whenever I do come back to play my bank balance is ridiculous. On HJ1 I’ve been actively working on reducing my daily bonus because I couldn’t spend enough of the money I made per month in a month. (I calculated all my hj1 breeding and tested costs in one season once and I saved enough to cover breeding and all regular testing in under 3 days and all the comp testing i could do in less than 1 day more. With double month breeding I had 54+ days of saving money)
I like most white patterns other than roan and appy but Sb2, W8, and W3 are my current loves of the kit genes. -
My culling process is very similar to other's who have commented. My foundations are now only expros and excep perfects. The effect of this is slowly working through my lines. When I pull foals from a pasture they are put through SBA, PT, genetic and papering. At this point I spay/geld any gen 2s that are not blue or A, by gen 4 they must be star or gold. This occurs without ever looking at them. If I decide to keep them I will GMT them consistent if they are inconsistent. If I already have the equivalent stallion/mare, inconsistency will get them gelded or spayed.
All stallions remaining are comparison tested. Any that do not compare as good as or superior to my bench mark are gelded. In very rare occasions, mainly for special genes, I will boost a stallion until it is as good as the benchmark. Besides that I do not boost.
I have each line and generation of mares in their own pasture. When it is time to put the three year old mares in the pasture, the lowest AFPTs are removed and the new mares are moved in. This is slowly weeding out mares that did not paper at the same level I currently cull at. I put the best stallion I have in each pasture, and especially in my higher gens, mare lag drives a low number of foals that pass SBA, but for those that do each generation is slowly getting better.
My bootstrap pasture is run the same and is just a revolving door of mares based on AFTP. Again all mares must be consistent.
I have a gen 3 Star stallion that is from pure exceptional line breeding with no boosts.
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Awesome! Thank you! Now I know it can be done, and I have my goal set for my exceptional lines.
I wish rhythm of four would come out again. I adore buckskins, which is why I have my C/yellow line for Decadence(my stud). I wanted my S+ sooty buckskin appys with and without snowflake. I have a couple of Freaky Friday studs who's lines will have off shoots that will be mixed into this line as well.
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Well, I am working my way through my colts/stallions. So far, I have cut 50-100 for being AGA or inconsistent, and I have a lot more to go. Then it will be on to the mares.
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Ugg.. Ive been gone from the game for a while..only on to pull foals out of pastures, make new creates.. Now I'm so far behind with the culling.. Ohhh the pain.. Horses scattered throughout my barns, no organization anymore..
Ill be using the same type of culling methods as listed above.. ohhh its not gonna be pretty lolz..
sigh, dont even know where to start... 8-}Champion Appaloosas -
I SBA everything from my non-Bootstrapped horses. That is all the testing I do. I pick 2 or 3 stallions, at random, to remain stallions, then the rest are turned into mares. I haven’t comparison tested a stallion in quite some time, and I haven’t gotten a superior to sire horse in years. If a horse passes SBA it is good enough to be in my program. That being said I only have a 10% pass rate or so for my established lines so I don’t get too many horses.
My boot strapped lines just get cycled, as I run out of room the older mares get pulled out and replaced with younger mares and then they get spayed and thrown into the show barns.Thanked by 1WindspunFarms -
@windspunfarms I did the same thing this summer. Only on to pull foals and check the forums.
My advice is just start lol pick one thing to cull by and zip through as many as you can before taking a break. When you come back either finish it then pick a new thing.
My barn here is thankfully much smaller than my HJ1 barn where I had just over 600 mares in my pastures over the summer. Do as much of the testing from the barn page as you can to start weeding altered stock out before you get all caught up on their pretty looksThanked by 1WindspunFarms -
I just went through this. My first step was setting a "quality bar" by preference. I kind of like a higher PT, so that's a trait I cull for (of course doesn't mean much in terms of breeding capability).
I also require G2 to be Blue/A unless special colors. G3 Blue/A. G4 Blue/Gold or A/Star. G5 Gold/Star unless I LOVE their genes.
Then I set a marker for PT as mentioned. 10.4PT G2, 10.8PT for G3 originally but I lean more towards 10.5PT G2 and 11PT G3.
I also culled off almost ALL of my plain colored breeding stock. I specifically breed for loud patterns by preference.
After that I culled off mares who were 10 years who hadn't given me ANY intacts while they had full pasture bonus. Then I dropped to 8 years. Too much turn around to hold onto mares not earning their keep. I also prefer my mare AFPT to be higher than their own.
Studs I ONLY utilize Superior to Sire. In order to better my chances I pair up Blue/A, Gold/Star, Red/B. I try to keep 2 studs around per group of mares.
As I progressed I developed a pasture system that is in need of expanding AGAIN. I organize like:
Foundation
G2 Gen + Wtc
G2 KP
G2 Ice
G2 SNF
(Need a G2 KP/SNF, G2 WW, G2 MU, and G2 CHN)
G3 Gen + Wtc (I'll probably need two more 30s in a few seasons)
G3 SNF
G3 KP
G4 Gen + Nex + SNF (I pulled all SNF this season to flush. I need two additional 30s I think here)
G4 KP
G5 Nexus (actually 2 pastures)
G5
G6
G7+
And now to try to cut down AGAIN, I've culled off all of my inconsistent breeding stock except for ONE girl I couldn't persuade myself to part with.
Going forward I'm beyond excited. Even with being extremely picky I ended up with 51 replacement fillies from this year!!! LOLID# 24891
Specializing In G1-G7 WBs:
Appaloosa/Leopard Apps, Pearl, Thunderstruck, Watercolor, Snowflake, Kit Promoter (KP), Kit M, Ice, Satin, Nexus, Sooty+, Dense Pheomelanin (DP), Chinchilla, Mushroom, and Wrong Warp. -
Cheval makes an exceptional point in which I don't even LOOK at the foals anymore. No matter how hard it hurts. The very first thing I do is SBA. THEN I will look.
And Cheval... I unknowingly did just that. I started with all Yellow mares and kept G2 reds. Then I culled off all yellow foundies and stuck to the red gals. Now I'm sitting pretty decent for star and gold g4s just after a couple seasons.ID# 24891
Specializing In G1-G7 WBs:
Appaloosa/Leopard Apps, Pearl, Thunderstruck, Watercolor, Snowflake, Kit Promoter (KP), Kit M, Ice, Satin, Nexus, Sooty+, Dense Pheomelanin (DP), Chinchilla, Mushroom, and Wrong Warp. -
NEVER look at the foals period...not before and not the snipped ones after you run SBA! That's just adding insult to injury. I am much more at peace when I follow this rule lol! Then you can just be excited as each image pops up and you know they're keepersBREEDING DARKNESS (ok black liver but it sounds cooler)
And Silver Blue Pearls
Focusing on Sooty Plus, Sb2, W3 and W10 -
I am at that point as well, where I have so many horses that breeding and sorting is just a chore and hardly even worth it for all the time I spend on it, plus I have noticed that because of all the mares I kept that weren't quite what I wanted, now I'm getting a ton of foals that I'm just not happy with. I've been going through very slowly and starting to weed out breeders with certain characteristics that I'm positive I don't want but it's so hard at this point because I get so ridiculously attached to these crazy pixel ponies. I also need a new system for keeping track of lethal whites because I am having an increasing number of lethal foals each season. But in spite of all the craziness I'm still excited because I know I'm going to get myself to a point again where playing is super fun and enjoyable. I've just collected too many breeders. >.<ID: 16853
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Good thing I am doing a cull because I just found this beauty hiding in my barns! Hom Satin Blue papered 5g filly!
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I was just tattooing show horses and was opening 11 year olds without any pics still lol
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Well, I am making more progress! I pulled all stallions and 18+ mares from my pastures. Along with any yellow papered mares that are not foundations, I pulled all red papered 4g and 5g mares. I still need to resort my pastures, name horses, and finish culling inconsistent horses and my stallions. Ugh, back to grinding my nose through my mess of breeding horses.Thanked by 1kintara
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And ..... I swear that I have Lost my ever-lovin Mind! I am literally Snipping Blue Papered 6th gen mares! :O :-SThanked by 1kintara