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PhoenixRising · Jan 14, 2017 2:04 PM

I've been working on my in-house lines for a while now, and I'm excited that I've gotten several generations in, but I've run into an unexpected problem. I am ruthless when it comes to snipping my boys; I won't accept less than superior to sire. But that means I've got several third-gen ladies still waiting for a date and they're already 8 years old, but I have no third-gen stallions to breed them to! I don't even have any waiting in the wings to age up - I'm still at square one for my third-gen stallions. Assuming I still breed one this season, the ladies will be ten before I have anyone ready for them.

Would you be collecting eggs at this point? I don't even know if these mares are stellar and worth keeping the eggs for, though. Or would you be breeding them to outside stallions to at least "test" them and see if I should be collecting eggs? I want my own lines to be completely in-house, but for testing purposes...?

I could use some advice on this unexpected problem. ;) Thanks!

Wildland Acres · Jan 14, 2017 2:16 PM

Id suggest breeding them to something else so you can have the, papered, and iff not still have an idea on the better and worse ones So you can have the best ones sorted out by the time you have the boy you are looking for. I have Four a papered 3g boys right now, (True, the one I would sell is a foal, but if you want to use one for breeding let me know, I will have studs come of age each month for at least a couple months now.

SandycreekFarm · Jan 14, 2017 2:18 PM

Gathering three eggs now would help you paper a mare quickly once you got a 3rd gen stallion intact. I wouldn't gather more, because creating and implanting embryos gets expensive quickly. You could get away with storing two to make embryos with and then live cover her for the third necessary foal.

You can breed horses until they are 19, I believe, assuming they survive their 18th birthday, so there would be time to paper them even with one foal a year, even starting at 10. Then if they turned out to be stellar for their generation, you could pull eggs and create embryos when they'd proved their worth as brood mares.

A third option would be to purchase a good 3rd gen stallion to test them with so that you could determine which of them were the best breeders. Then you could neuter those offspring and add them to your show string or sell them if you didn't want to keep them in your barn.

PhoenixRising · Jan 14, 2017 2:24 PM

Thank you both, these thoughts are very helpful. I was hesitant to breed them when I knew I couldn't use the offspring (call me silly, I just want to know that I had a hand in every part of the line and bred every horse myself...) for breeding, but what's to say they can't be part of my show string? I need to keep them anyway for papering, so it makes total sense. Thank you for helping me see a different angle!

I think what I may do at this point is look for a third-gen A papered stallion and breed them to him just for testing, snip the babies and toss them in the show barn. And if things are looking good by the time they're ten and I do have a stallion (I hope - fingers crossed for this season!), I'll know who is worth pulling eggs from.

Thank you!

SandycreekFarm · Jan 14, 2017 2:41 PM

Here is a search of my 3rd gen stallions. The first 25 are all A papered. They have not all be compared to each other, but they may have been compared to any half brothers, I'm not sure about that. They are all of my breeding, so I would be willing to sell one to you, or to sell you straws at cost if you wanted to do that.

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?status=any&ageg=2&agel=19&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=level&f_limit=25&stallion=1&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=3&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=441&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1&offset=25&offset=0

If you'd like some of them comparison tested against each other, I'd be willing.

Just let me know.

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