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Anybody have homestead/urban "farming" experience
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I've always wanted to have my own garden and animals. Basically a nice little homestead. Nev3r had this option since I've always rented houses and most people don't take kindly to you "ripping up their yards" but I'm happy to say I now live in a house where I'm able to do this.
The down side? The yard is tiny! And it's in the middle if a 14k populated city. But in really determined to make this work even though it's a tight space and I'm about to be a new mom. I'm convinced that I can't be happy without having a garden and some birds.
So first I'll explain my situation. I live in South Dakota right across the boarder of Nebraska. I have a rather small yard, its privacy fence for most of it and will eventually be chain link on the two ends to close it up.
Where I plan to garden is in the back yard behind our garage in the corner of the fence. Without measuring I'd guess it to be about 40 ft X 15ft? I plan to have 4 raised garden boxes and a coop.
From you guys I'd like to know any tips you have for keeping a garden in a backyard. I'm talking anything you can think of whether it's how to properly pull a carrot from the ground or tips on how to keep a garden while pregnant/with a new baby. But the garden isnt my biggest concern. My mother gardens and she is coming down in 2 weeks to help me start.
My main loss is the birds.
I really want to keep some type of bird for eggs and occasionally meat. I originally wanted a few hens unlike the idea of ducks a lot more. Due to space I have considered quail BUT they seem to require a lot more work and need to be kept cooped at all times.
Things I need to know (about ducks and chickens)
Early care: what do brand new birds require? Would I better off buying adult birds or buying chicks from the farm store?
Breeds: what types of breeds would be best?
Feed: what type of feed, how much? Table scrapes? Scavenging?
Eggs/butchering: I don't need birds that lay a ton of eggs just a few. How good are the eggs?
Housing: for summer and more important winter. I'll probably have to have a custom winter roost built. Any tips on this
Breeds: best breeds for a back yard.
Anything extra?
Overall cost:
I do have 2 dogs as well as living with 2 small children (soon to be 5 and 3) as well as a baby in the way. I'll have to deal with security once I pick what to keep
Sorry if this is choppy and hard to follow, it's late and I have a big doctors appointment tomorrow that I'm nervous for and am trying to distract myself----
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One thing I know is that chickens are GREAT for keeping in gardens in the city! The good thing about them is that you can build up in their coop so they'll have more room. A small breed would suit you well.
For feed look for "chook food"....basically sold as that here in NZ. Can eat most leftovers too. Try not to feed them eggs. Egg shells can be good, but no whole eggs or yolk or anything. If you do they can start eating their own eggs. You'll need to fence off your garden/build a cover or else they might eat your veggies....they will forage for bugs too. They love if after the lawn has been mowed too.
You would probably need a cover for the coop, as well as a box for the chooks to lay their eggs in. I have no idea about snow, if you get it, as it doesn't snow where I am. I'm in low-mid north island, and it only really snows in mountains and the lower half of the south island really.
Chickens shouldn't be that expensive. No more than $50 I'm told (which should be cheaper in American $$). If you get into contact with maybe a rescue for caged hens you may find more help and info there. I believe that in NZ there are organisations for people in the city who keep hens in the backyard, you may find something like that where you are.
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CG I have a variety of chickens. Are you just wanting to lay and meat. Hens lay an egg every 24 hours. One of the best chickens out there is the Buff Orpingtons. They are docile and great for little kids. I also have Turkens which are great. Dominquers they are a dual purpose bird.
I would talk to your local extension office? They will be a great help. If you have a fence you can turn your hens out during the day. It will also help on your feed Bill if you can let them roam. Have a coop for night time. You need to check with the extension office which fit better for the colder climate their. If I was you I would go with the turkeys. They are cold hardy. They are one of the chickens that can handle the cold better. I love my turkens. Their looks bother some people because they look like a Turkey but their not they are chickens. -
Mine and my cousins' yards are only 6ft x 10ft, she grows potatoes (and sometimes carrots) in grow bags or a black bin. She has a hunting dog (for fowl) and a high prey drive greyhound so can't have birds in her yard but her neighbour has and they are thriving, he's getting a lot of eggs recently so he's been giving us them*. If you need any gardening tips ask @JamesBayMemorial (my cousin) shes a qualified gardener, not that she likes it, and might be able to help out.
*His chickens live in a raised coup so he doesn't lose much floor space and the chickens have some shade from the very little heat that NE England gets.
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Yay! You can do this.
For chickens, there are usually three age groups to buy from. Biddies can be bought a day old from hatcheries or feed stores for a few dollars. They will need a brooder area ( large cardboard boxes with a light work good) inside for a few weeks. They can eventually be moved outside. Cons: You may have to buy a minimum amount (anywhere from 6-25), unless buying a sexed bird you may end up with roosters, you will have to wait months before they start laying. Started pullets will be a few months old and just about ready to start laying. They can be put outside directly. In my area (Alabama) these are typically the most expensive to buy usually running around $20-$30 dollars. Cons: expense, can be hard to find. Older hens can be found cheaper in my area for $10. They will be ready to lay right away. Cons: you do not know if hens this old are finished laying, or getting close to that point.
For breeds, you may want to look at brown egg layers like Rhode Island Reds, Barred Rocks, New Hampshire's, Buckeyes. Brown egg layers tend to be more cold hardy, less flighty, and dual purpose. They do not lay as much as some of the production breeds, but they have a meatier frame. You can also buy bantam versions of different breeds, but they will have bantam sized eggs. Many of the larger hatcheries will send you catalogs that will have different breed pictures with information about that breed. Feed can be a laying pellet from a store. Mine get pellets, garden scraps and bread scraps. And handful of fresh pick grass is always met with approval clucks. They also get let out of the coop to poke around for bugs, but I have to keep an eye on them because of a) predators always know when they are out b) chickens always know which veggies/berries are the ripest and they will pick them before you do.
For housing, mine are in a 10x10, with an 8' ceiling, area with two solid walls, and two walls with a kickboard and dog wire. It is completely covered. I have eight hens and two roosters in there right now, and they have a ton of room and seem happy. It is completely covered. 4 nest boxes are in the corner where two solid walls meet, around chest height. Where I am at I worry more about keeping my chickens cool rather than warm. One thing about housing - I do not use chicken wire because raccoons, bobcats, and possums can rip right through it. I do not know if you would have that kind of problem in town.
Costs for us: Coop - free aside from labor, we scrounged around for what we needed. Birds - we buy a few biddies every spring to replace older hens. This year we spent $18 on six. Shavings - $6 once a month. Feed - 50 pounds is $10 and last us a two weeks. From eight hens I get from between 7-10 eggs a day. It keps us, my in laws, and some friends in eggs. And once you have had fresh eggs from your own hens, you will never want ones from the store again. They seem pale and flavorless. Bleh. Keep the coop clean, because you will want your neighbors happy. Slipping them a few fresh eggs helps too. If you do let them out to poke around, you may want to clip their wings so they do not flap over your fence to parts unknown. There used to be an online forum called backyardchickens.com.
With your gardening, you may want to experiment with upright systems. We are trying out upright PVC pipes right now to grow strawberries. We are not sure how it will work out. For working outside, I used a playpen when my kiddos were babies. I would put them in the shade nearby. I know some moms like a sling, but I was such a klutz I was afraid of using them. Good luck with your appointment! -
You might also need to check your local town laws regarding what you can have for chickens. I know a lot of towns up here in Massachusetts do not allow Roosters (too noisy I guess), but don't mind hens. I don't know if they have any laws against them where you live, but best to check first so you don't get into trouble.
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We bought a house over the winter and now I have a huge yard and can finally have a vegetable garden. Downside is I live in a HOA so I can't have chickens or meat rabbits and I'm pretty sure they would be upset with me growing corn. I plan on using the square foot system plus some container gardening. I've gotten most of my tips from Pintrest. There are a lot of ideas there. MY first seedlings have popped up and I'm getting ready to plant, although I have to wait a little as snow is in the forecast this weekend.
Also make sure that you pick out varieties that grow well in your zone. You will have to look it up based on your city and state as South Dakota has a few zones, even near the Nebraska boarder. -
I have chickens, ducks and quail.
Cheapest and quickest option is the quail. I actually highly recommend Coturnix quail. You can get birds for less than $1 to $5, depending on age and location. They are easy to take care of. They grow fast: hatch to table/laying in 6-10 weeks. Depending on variety, they can be color sexed at 4-5 weeks. They are relatively quiet, can be kept in a hutch type cage or an aviary type. They can be put in cages on the ground and moved around (tractoring) or put in cages on raised beds, especially surplus males. So very neighbor friendly.
Chickens can be cheap if you have laying farms nearby. You can often get year old laying hens that are still laying 6-7 eggs a week and have several years of production left for just a couple dollars. But they are not very meaty birds. Layer breeds tend to not be meaty but mature faster, sometimes laying as early as 4-5 months. Heritage breeds make good dual purpose birds, but tend to grow slower, sometimes taking 8 months to lay and 5 months to butcher. They require larger housing than quail and most can fly, so clipped wings or covered runs may be needed or your chickens will end up at the neighbors. Feed is cheap, most garden/table scraps are safe and they will forage a lot of their own if allowed to. Hens can be noisy, roosters can and will crow loudly at any time, even 3am. So maybe not neighbor friendly, depending on how close they are and the neighbors.
Ducks are LOUD. And MESSY. Requirements are similar to chickens, but they NEED water. Clean water, every day, multiple times a day even. They need their area cleaned more often than chickens. They can be more expensive to buy adults. Babies can a little mote difficult to raise because they require niacin, which chick food does not have enough. And they usually take longer than chickens to mature. Eggs are fabulous though. Most breeds are too heavy to fly much, so you probably don't need to clip wings or have a covered run. Because of noise issues, potentially not neighbor friendly.
All three have pros and cons, and only you will know what you can work with and what you can't. But please feel free to ask me any specific questions you may have. Especially about quail. :) I hope you reconsider them.#28036 -
I've always been partial to rhode island reds. My granma had a big Rhode island hen in her flock and she was one if the dominant hens. For some reason I just always liked her pretty color and mean attitude. I don't think that's be the breed for me though haha.
I did a a few quick searches last night and the breeds that caught my eye are
-New Hampshire red: like the Rhode island but nicer?
-Plymouth rock: not a fan of the color but supposed to be nice and good for wintering
-Delaware: mostly for the butchering after they've finished being good layers
-Black Australorp: agin not a fan if black hens but these sound good for my location
And idea that just dawned on me is going back to my home state and asking my granma if she has any hens in her flock that she'd be willing to sell me. She keeps many different types (including all the ones I listed above) so id give me a vhance to try a mixed flock then sell or give the ones I don't like back. It's also give me some ready to lay hens immediately.
My local farm store only sells leghorn and a common black type. They also I my sell chicks that are around a week old so if have to grow then out. My granma orders new chicks regularly from catalog so I could easily have her order me some chicks or pullets then pick them up when they arrive!
I will look into the other breeds you guys suggested though (including the quail.) Want to consider all options so I can find the best bird to work for me. I'm looking for ones that can be decent egg layers (we honestly don't eat that many eggs right now, don't like the taste of store eggs) then I want them to also be friendly since it's a smaller yard with 2 young kids, and lastly I want them to have decent meat so when they stop laying I can get them butchered and have a tasty meal. As much as I'd like to keep ducks since their eggs are really tasty I don't think I will. So much work that I might struggle with later on.
As far as my city laws go I know hens are allowed. I'll have to do me check on roostets though. Especially if I buy chicks so I can get the roosters culled and butchered early if they aren't allowed.
I'm looking into different ways to build a chicken coop that will work do summer and winter. Pinterest here I come!
For my garden I have decided to do one of three different raised beds. The cheapest being to use large boards to make boxes, the most expensive is buying stock tanks.
I don't know what my zone is yet so I'll have to get that looked up and start planning what I can grow with the least hassle. I think most of what I want is doable. My coop will also probably be near the garden since the garden will be fenced off to keep kids and dogs out. But I can easily make some chicken wire covers that will keep the hens out of my veggies. When the kids are gone the dogs can be left indoors and the hens would have free roam of the backyard. I've kept smaller birds (parrots) so I'm sure clipping wings wouldn't be difficult for me. I'd hate to accidently chase an escaped hen into the busy road.
Now I just need to start making more specific plans and get this underway----
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Enlisting some of grandma's help may be the way to go.
With the Plymouth rock, when you said you didn't like the color were you talking about barred? They come in several color varieties, some hatcheries carry more of a choice of Rock colors. In my own experience, I like my Barred or Partridge Rocks the best as far as temperament. They are super calm and easy going. Second would be my easter/olive eggers, they kind of remind me of Labradors. They are active. Third would be my Orpintons, they tend to be flighty and kind of ditzy, but not mean. This is just my own birds, someone else may have had different experiences. I have had New Hampshire's in the past, they were okay as far as attitude. I did have a problem with them feather picking, but I have always thought maybe just my strain was bad for because a lot of people seem to like them. They seemed to mature faster than other dual purpose breeds. They look similar to RIR in shape/size. RIR are a deep dark cherry red, and New Hampshire's are a lighter rusty tone. -
The other thing you want to consider is are you also wanting them to set on their eggs for little ones. My hubby and I allow every breed to hatch one nest a year. Our best setters are Buff orpingtons and my wyandots.
Something else to consider my barred rock I ended up selling because I couldn't get them to set. A good meat bird is the Cornish. They are slow growers. Orpingtons are great for laying and their meat. I also like my game hens. Best setters out there. I don't care much for game roosters but the game hens are great. They are flighty.