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That's probably why, their sire had Star Papers.

The issue is that I wasn't interested in buying any outside broodmares, these girls were pretty much as nice as anything for sale and exactly the color I was looking for.

I'm super bummed as I didn't realize that being spayed was a possibility for a Blue Papered filly and was just going through the motions, thinking it might weed out a few of their Red Papered sisters on actual merits, not just in relation to their parents.

My bad, but really feel like my whole breeding season just ended up amounting to nothing.

Their 11.4 PT 1/2 sister with Red Papers...


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Honestly, I'm surprised that any of those horses managed to make it through the regular breeding advice. Horses from lines that are that uneven in quality should always be spayed/gelded even if breeding advice doesn't do it for you. Breeding a foundation mare to a high quality Star stallion is a great way to get some nice show horses but it isn't going to get you any foals that are worth breeding to. Breeding horses with a similar breeding ability (which generally equates to breeding even generations) is the best way to get quality breeding stock.

If you read through the 3 links under the even lines and generations section of this forum thread, you can read a much more detailed explanation of this.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/15736/links-list#Item_3

Your breeding season was definitely not a waste! Remember, good quality show horses are an absolute necessity for this game. As a new player your focus should be on establishing a good show string so you can make enough money to pay for all the breeding you do each season. You will not earn much money from breeding your horses. There are many established players who earn hundreds of thousands of hbs each week just from their showing bonus because they have a very large herd of good quality show horses.

No, because their quality is much different. In This game, breeding even quality is what gets you the best results for intact foals worth breeding. Just like in real life, you wouldn't take a low quality mare and breed her to a world champion stallion in hopes of getting the next big thing, because it's unlikely to happen. Instead, you would find the nicest mare you can and breed her to something similar in quality and conformation.

There is a tricky part of this game. Many players say breed evenly, the logic of this is you knew breeding level generally before testing could be done on fillies. They say widely uneven horses should be fixed because they are poor quality. The question is, what is "quality"? True, uneven breeding will have much higher rate of fixed foals, and be more eradic, but you will have the chance of getting higher Pt scores, so the horse's will earn more money hopefully, they can have much better breeding quality than a low gen even bred and pass it to their children. Now figuring out which ones were improved by it and which level to breed them was difficult and those with larger barns really didn't have time to manage it when a mare had to have three foals to paper, but early papering has gotten rid of the "quality" problem. The poor quality breeding you are suggesting will need lots of patience because of high fixed rates but will create horses that should reach the leader boards in much fewer generations than their "quality" even bred horses. Plus, something that has troubled me is that for the sake of quality horses we keep on specifically breeding inferior horses. We want to breed the best, but will get superior stock, while h is good, but continue to breed the inferior parent stallion to poorer mares to get lower gen foal, but really we are all just perpetuating lower quality. This concept confuses me.

Now so.ething I was trying in h 1, but the two month breeding seoson is making results slow, is to combat the intentionally breeding poor quality horses with the lower gen thing, is I only breed with the best two stallions. After I get a colt that is superior I geld the dad and use the superior colt on ally mares. I then go through and get rid of the mares with the lowest ATP to make room for the new mares, and hopefully I will see marked improvement as soon as horses age up. Waiting 8 months is infuriating at times. Lol

If you have an intact horse, no matter it's pedegree, just paper it and breed to corresponding paper horse and you should be fine. The unevenness really doesn't make much of a difference after the individual horse has gone through testing.

True some people find that. If you do find yourself with blue 11 pt fillies from foundation mares that is never something to sniff at though. I have been doing varying degrees of uneven and even breeding for nearly a year now, and I am seeing good progress so far. If you want to keep the fillies, 4 star, go with it!

Remember, getting a Blue papered filly from breeding to a Star stud is a step backwards in breeding quality. In real life, you can't breed some random backyard nag to American Pharoah and think you will end up with another Triple Crown winner. :D Of course this is ignoring the fact that you would never be allowed to breed a mare like that to a champion stallion in the first place. Your foal would be much better than your mare but wouldn't be anywhere near the quality of her sire.

The same principle holds true for HJ. It's fine to use a horse that's inferior to its sire as a show horse in HJ, and breeding foundation mares to Star stallions is a great way to get some nice show horses, but it's not the best way to get good quality horses for breeding. It's possible to breed that way but it isn't the shortcut to having great breeding stock that people are hoping for. In fact, breeding unevenly like that will take longer to get you quality breeding animals than breeding even ability horses together will.

And never forget the most important principle of HJ. Having a good string of show horses is essential! I am thrilled when I get high PT gelds/spays like that because I know they will make great show horses and earn me lots of hbs that I can use to buy more quality breeding stock. Getting some consistent show horses with PTs of 11+ is a great accomplishment for your first breeding season on HJ. In fact, it's still a good accomplishment no matter how long you have been playing the game because you will always need more show horses to replace the ones that die off every year when rollover happens. And more show horses=more points and hbs=more $$ to spend on high quality breeding stock. The players who seem to have an endless amount of hbs and can spend millions of them on fancy limited edition horses for breeding are the players who have massive show strings that earn enough money to pay for those kinds of purchases.

It's true. In the real world we wouldn't be breeding poor quality horses in order to eventually breed high quality ones. However I enjoy the sense of accomplishment of building my own lines from the ground up. In the real world all the poor quality horses being bred are already a problem. Anything that's born you'd need to find a home for but with the pixel ponies it's a lot easier to keep them and if nobody wants them they weren't alive in the first place so nothing is harmed if they get yummed.

You do stallion and mare papering, just the same as you would an even horse. Put red papered mares with the stallion you breed red papered even mares to, look at the gens of parents and how the mare does breeding to determine which A papered boy to breed them to.
True, breeding your random pasture girl to American Pharoh won't give you a triple crown winner first gen, but I garente you that horse will be a better race horse than if you breed her to the random pony boy down the road, though admittedly you would have difficulty getting your horse in a race because it is "mixed" people put a lot of emphasis on breeds when it is a very new man made construct and in many ways these breeding for breeds has been to the detriment of the breed that had been created by a population being bred for the best at a purpose, not wether they had perfect pedegrees.
Since we are going into actual breeding senarios. My goats are mixed, and they are not perfect either. I once had someone tell me I should butcher my favorite goat when I took her to a 4-H fair. I guess there is no breed that denotes flaming red head blaze faced, blue eyed dairy goats, so they shouldn't exist. But in reality, my my goats have little bit more sloped rumps that I'd like, udders need to be improved, and I don't like the taste of their milk (works great for rasing orphaned critters though) I want to improve my line though, and get rid of these errors in my goats. I would be an irresponsible breeder if I bred to a buck of similar confirmation and quality, I would be creating just a lot more animals that other breeders don't want. Since I have girls I need to improve quality on with their kids, I have to find Really nice boys to breed them with straight rumps, amazing udders behind them, good feet, good feed efficiency, good tasting milk from mother's, I try to breed my goats the champion quality bucks, the other breeders say I would be a bad person if I did anything less because I would be "polluting the world with garbage goats." As it is though, despite knowing the parents, the offspring of these goats are in high demand, because there is a marked increese of quality from my original girls and they have many characteristics that they like that they don't find in their purebred stock, like the fact that they are extremely hardy and don't even have to be trained to not kick while milking because they just stand still from the first time on the station.
Breeding uneven may be a step backwards, but my uneven horses do well in shows, make me lots of money, and are my best broodmares, I have mares that give foals with PT in the 12.5-12.8 region when I am still in the 11s, early 12s with my even stock, and I have had uneven horses taking first in the breeders clubs, which is as close as I can come to an in game equivilant to the triple crown. It is certainly the road less traveled by. From my experience, I would say it isn't one to be condemned though. Everyone breeds their own way.

Even *gold and *star horses can be snipped by SBA as I found out. It sucks a bit, but it's to help improve your overall herd by only allowing you to keep stock which is better or the same quality than their parents. From what I understand it's very unlikely that you'll get any uneven foals to pass but it can happen. I've got two uneven horses in my barn that escaped the snip but they did paper the highest they can in the game.

Hey 4Star!

I also have only skimmed the posts I've seen on this but wanted to throw in my two cents.

As has been mentioned, the reason your beautiful Blue fillies were snipped by SBA is because they were worse than their *Star Papered father. This by no means is an indication they are bad for Blues, just that they aren't as good as their dad and the SBA tests horses against both parents.

As I'm sure has also been covered exhaustively here, breeding even generations, or more specifically, horses of similar breeding ability, is the most likely tactic to get you horses that pass testing intact. If your goal is to use the built in game testing to get intact foals, your best bet is to breed similar paper levels as has been covered.

Breeding "evenly" by no means guarantees quality though. And breeding unevenly doesn't mean you aren't producing high quality foals, it just means they are less likely to pass testing intact. Breeding unevenly is actually much easier now than it used to be because we can now paper fillies at birth instead of having to wait til they have three living foals to paper them. You can breed unevenly, paper your fillies and then make a decision about whether you want to breed them back to a high gen high quality stallion or breed them to whatever the corresponding paper level for stallions is (so for your Blue fillies, you would look for A stallions).

More than ever before, you can breed however you want to and still have a really good chance at improving your herd if you use Papering and have an idea of what and why you want to cull horses out of your breeding herd.

Breed however you want to! Enjoy your pixel ponies! Build up your show herd (no matter how you want to breed, your show herd is important to support your breeding and testing costs!) and create barns and pastures full of beautiful mares. Just remember that if you breed unevenly, and especially as unevenly as these foals you've bred this season, that using SBA is likely to snip your foals. Not because they aren't good, but because you really have almost no chance of a foundation x *Star foal being as good as their dad.