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How can I tell if a horse is DP?
  • How can I tell if a horse is DP or carries DP?
    All info greatly appreciated.
    Thanks :D
  • Red based horses will say Liver or Chocolate when tested, except cremellos. But a link will help:] If it's a foal out of a Freaky Friday mare they are all DP.
  • Most of it is about training your eye to see it. Here is a old link with all kinds of pictures of different colors with DP
    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/5931/i-was-wondering-if-anyone-can-give-me-some-examples-of-dp#Item_72
  • DP is a hidden gene, so you can't always tell. Since it's a darkening gene, you can sometimes develop an eye for it, but there are other genes that will also darken a horse's coat as well, so a darker color doesn't always mean DP. Mostly you have to use clues based on the horse's parents and offspring, or if it qualifies for the Liver club (and what Sooty alleles it has). If one parent is Hom DP (like a Freaky Friday RS) then the horse will definitely have (at least) one copy of DP. Whether it can get a second DP depends on if the other parent is Het or Hom DP.

    To be considered a Liver Chestnut or Chocolate Palomino, a horse has to have a combination of Sooty and DP genes - three of the four possible alleles. So, they can have SstySsty and one copy of DP (two copies will make them a Black Liver) or SstyS and two copies of DP.
  • Adding on, here's a few more from my herd. Something about DP with Bay is pretty exciting to me. It's a lot of gauging and comparing with your eye with known carriers. Its easy with red based horses, but with agouti thrown in it gets harder. I find that roan, silver, cream and brown chucked into the mix makes it confusing and headache worthy!

    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/comment/51386#Comment_51386
    #4519
  • Thanks for all your comments, and sorry for no link here is the foal I wondered if was DP.
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  • He may, he's pretty dark for a double dilute and his mothers line does have dp in it. But I'm not that good with double dilutes. Maybe @StarfireAcres can tell? She breeds a lot of double dilutes with dp.
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  • Thanks ObsidianKitsune, I'll ask :)
  • There is a 50% chance of his mom being het DP but his dad I don't think has DP and it's a gamble to tell if he got het DP passed down from his mom it's hard to tell if he has it or not I think the sty sty is making his coat dark and the black E but there is a chance he is het DP from his mom but there is a chance that his mom did not pick up the DP either
  • Thank you Starfire Acres
  • If you look at the dam's phenotype, she is similar to other Ssty Ssty brown horses even though she is only S Ssty (het sooty) which leads me to believe that she is het DP.

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    Also, if you look at her chestnut offspring, he is only S Ssty (het sooty) and distinctly darker than his het sooty sire. This makes me think he is het sooty and het DP.

    EDIT: Through this investigation, though I am not familiar with homozygous Pearl phenotypes with DP, I would guess that your filly is indeed homozygous sooty and heterozygous DP.
  • There is only a 25% the foal is het DP since his dad does not have DP and his mom is only het DP but there's still that 25% and he is pretty dark
  • @starfireacres one parent still has a 50% chance of giving DP, so there's a 50/50 shot whether the horse on question has it or not. :)
  • Her mom is only S Sty so she would have to be hom DP because there has to be 3 darkening genes present and since only one parent of hers is het DP there is no way she is Hom DP now that I look at it I don't think the horse in questions mom has DP the mare above is who I'm talking about :)
  • No, a horse can have DP without having sooty. It just takes sooty to be visible. Let's say someone GMTs one sooty off of a freaky friday horse. The horse is still homozygous DP, and all foals will be het DP regardless of whether the sooty was also passed down. A het DP crossed with a non DP will have a 50% chance of having one copy of DP, thus making it also het DP.
  • @StarfireAcres, to clarify, I believe in order to be liver/chocolate you need to have three darkening genes present on a chestnut base.

    The posed question asked if the offspring might be DP and the only possible inheritance of DP comes from the dam's side of the pedigree.
  • Oh cool I did not know that..I learn something new everyday on here lol:)

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