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I thought was best to mention it because we have so many new players who are unaware of some Closed/LE gene not being open to them. Or a senior/experienced player forgets, and posts them in auction or for sale. Then the new player has spent the money for a horse they have to forfeit.

I thought that was why the fantasy gene sell back option exists, so the owners of closed genes can get 2500 hbs for horses they don't want without releasing the genes to the public. Isn't the fact that every user in the game can bid on the horses kind of the whole point of the public auction? I know if you put a horse up for public breeding you can't have rules about who gets to breed to it and if you put a horse up for public sale you can't have rules about who gets to buy it. I would imagine that if you put a horse up for public auction you can't have rules about who gets to bid on it either.

There are a lot of members who don't use the forum who have no idea that they technically shouldn't bid on certain horses even though they are in the public auction and should be available to every single user. I know Ammit doesn't allow closed genes to be up for public breeding and if you try to put a horse with a closed gene on public breeding the game doesn't let you. Same thing for public sales, if you try to put a horse with a closed gene up for public sale the game doesn't let you do that either. I would imagine that if Ammit didn't want gelded/spayed horses that have closed genes in the public auction, the game wouldn't let you do that either. I agree that not bidding on a closed gene that you don't own would be the more courteous thing to do, but I'd be very cautious about telling people that they can't bid on certain horses in a completely public auction when we know that telling people they can't buy or breed to horses up for public sale or public breeding is against the rules of the game.

To me, it seems like if you are the owner of a closed gene, you should be responsible enough to either sell those horses back to the game with the fantasy gene sell back or sell them in the private chats for users who purchased a foundation with those genes. If you know that horses with those genes should never be available to the public and you don't want the general public bidding on your horses, then why are you putting them in the public auction? If your intent was to get 2500 hbs from the auction bidder, you could just sell those horses with fantasy gene sell back and get your 2500 hbs right away instead of waiting several days for the auction to run. It appears as though the owners of these closed genes are putting their horses in the public auction because they know that the general public will bid lots of hbs on these limited edition horses even though they are spayed/gelded and may not have great PT scores. They want people to bid on these horses because if they only wanted the HJ auction bidder to get them, they would have used fantasy gene sell back to get their money right away. Some of the people who are bidding on these horses, especially new players who don't use the forum, have no idea that these are closed genes, but as the owner you know better. Closed genes will never become available to the public unless the owners of those genes allow it to happen. It's easy to tell people that they just shouldn't bid on certain horses, but maybe the owners shouldn't be putting these horses in the public auction in the first place.

@Timber, I am not sure if a Master list has been made and posted.
@Windward, yes, there a Fantasy sell back for certain genes; sometimes a player forgets, and posts horses by accident. I am not saying that people can not bid on a horse at Auction, but Ammit will cease the horse from a player if they don't have the closed/LE genes in their barns/stables. I am only suggesting they should not bid on certain ones, no more than that. Yes, a few Closed/LE genes are allowed to be sold at Auction if the horse if altered like Nexus lines. I understand that not every one reads/uses the Forum, and I am not saying that they have to use it; that is completely their choice.
@Lacy512, you can enter a barn or horse via the Auction page for entering stock, so it maybe a complete accident that some are entered. On some horses, yes the gene will be removed, or else the horse is removed/deleted by Ammit or a moderator. Yes, it does take time and effort from Ammit as she is busy with both game servers, and real life things like kids, her new office, managing her farm, doing fences and such.
I did not make this post to step on any one's toes, be mean/cruel/rude, or authoritative. I did say "should not" as a suggestion, but I did not say can't or demand they not bid on such horses as Axiom, Ice 10, or any closed/LE genes. It is meant as a friendly reminder for senior/experienced players to be cautious of what they enter in Auction, and to also let newer players know that some genes have restrictions on who is a viable buyer.

I didnt think you could put limited genes up for auction. I thought Ammit said the system would not allow it , If you try it gives you an error message saying it limited and cannot be auctioned

Just wanted to comment and say how easy it is to miss a foal or two when you're entering over 100 in the auction - I accidentally missed one when I was entering foals into the last auction and I clicked about 40 times before I saw the "this horse cannot be entered into the auction" message :)) And then proceeded to laugh at myself a bit. I'm pretty grateful for not being able to enter them into the auction because I'd probably do it way too much just on accident!

But at least we figured out it was just a little sneaky buggy bug that wiggled its way through the cracks.


@Kalilm no the restricted genes arent allowed to be owned by anyone who didnt buy the gene and have it put on a foundation even if the horses are altered. :)

LE genes and closed genes are different beasts. Pearl is an LE gene.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think LE genes are things like KP, GP, sb2, w3, Pearl etc. that anyone can purchase and put on a foundation but they can't show up on a foundation that's created through normal means or HH, you have to use GMTs to put it on the horse. We have several RS that give you horses with Pearl but that's still a special circumstance, you won't get a Pearl HH or have a random create turn out Pearl.

Is snowflake considered limited edition? I've never been sure about that one since for the most part, I know people bought it and it's no longer available to GMT, but it pops up on random foundations so I don't know how to classify it.

Snowflake is not an LE gene.

Those owners should not be posting about those lines on the forum. They should be handling those sales privately.

....adding Limited Edition and hard closed to the abbreviations list!


LE = Limited Edition (genes) - these genes will not be randomly included on new (foundation) create horses. They can be purchased in the GMT lab, and added to a horse, and from that point on they will be inheritable.

LE genes are the ones like KP, GP, sb2, w3, Pearl etc. that anyone can purchase and put on a foundation but they can't show up on a foundation that's created through normal means or HH, you have to use GMTs to put it on the horse. We have several RS that give you horses with Pearl but that's still a special circumstance, you won't get a Pearl HH or have a random create turn out Pearl.

(hard)Closed genes - genes that were purchased with real money and put on foundation horses. Horses with these genes (including their offspring) can only be sold to other players who also own foundation horses with these genes.

Just closed. Not hard closed.