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- Cheers June 2017
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- ObsidianKitsune June 2017
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In the mind of a line breeder
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I thought I would write down one of my breeding plans for everyone to see. 1. to get input from all of you and 2. for any new people to get an idea of how this works and the in's and out's from a breeding stand point.
I have 15 lines currently, will possibly add more and will certainly be mixing a few into each other. For the most part I line breed all of them. I start my lines with 1 or 2 stallions and at least 30 mares. Some lines have more, like my 2 DP lines, simply because I get carried away. From that foundation I keep 1 or 2 stallions and 30 mares to carry the line to the next generation and repeat. The game does not punish you for inbreeding, at least not that I have seen. So, I don't worry about bringing in new blood or anything like that. Breeding this way gives me greater control over the next generation. I have 2 lines where pattern plays a big part. My Silver Fawkes line and my Pintaloosa line.
I want my Silver Fawkes line to have that Silver Pocket Watch splash pattern to them. Here is Silver Fawkes for visual aid.
WO1 Silver Fawkes
What I'm looking for are white legs and a white face. To be picky I want the white to come just up to the belly and either right in front of or right behind the ears. I also want them to be dark so homo sty is a must. I may even throw in one of my DP boys down the road to insure they are really dark. The way I normally do things is after all the testing has been done, that's a whole other novel that I wont get into right now, I pick the stallion out who is as close to the pattern I want. I'm tougher on my boys than the girls in this area. The girls I give some slack, depending on the 1 or 2 stallions I have chosen. I will let the girls have to much white or not enough knowing my stallions will make up the difference and give me the offspring I'm looking for.
My Pintaloosa line is the other line where I watch pattern. What I want is that white triangle at the shoulders that is indicative of Tobiano and a spotted butt of the Appaloosa. I can care less about base color or any other white markings currently as long as I get those two things. Here is an example of one of my perfect yearlings from this season.
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The reason I chose those two markings is because you know right away by looking at her that she's a Pintaloosa. There is no guessing it is obvious. I don't want the blanket appaloosa pattern because I think it looks to much like just a Tobiano marking and not obviously an Appaloosa marking.
I'm still going through testing all this years foals and have not finished deciding who is staying and who is leaving. I also still have other genes I might through into both lines along the way like making my Pintaloosa's brown and adding DP to one or both lines. That's the plan for both lines in a nut shell and what will guide me in my breeding program as far as looks go.
I hope this is helpful to someone. I know it was helpful to me just to write it all down. Happy breeding everyone! -
Wow thank you for sharing you have some great goals I love your silver pocket watch stud and your little pintaloosa foal so cute!
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Thank you :)
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Your Silver Fawkes is stunning. I will look forward to seeing that line progress!Thanked by 1fj1482
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Thank you for sharing. I am working at building up my lines and starting to breed evenly so it's nice to know that someone else is doing similar things with good results. I love the silver bay and Silver Fawkes is such a great example of that!
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May I ask how you keep track of all of your horses? Do you write your lines down? And how do you keep track of the ones of breeding age and the ones that aren't?
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@Painted Dreams I can't speak for fj, but I can speak for myself. I keep track of my horses by their colour. My appy lines have appys, my splash frames have just that on them. And to keep track of breeding age, I use the horse search! Enter my id in as owner, and then choose either mare of stallion to search for and then older than either 2 or 3, depending on the gender.Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
Prices are almost always negotiable. -
With all the lines I have going I have a lot of extra foals I don't need. Here is the nuts and bolts of how I keep track and I personally do. You may not be able to do the same thing. I have two barns for each line. One is a small 15 barn the other is a 30 barn. The small barn holds any stallions for that line and the 30 barn holds any mares that are not breeding age. Each line has it's own pasture as well. The mares that are breeding age hang out permanently in the pasture to get the whole pasture bonus come breeding time. I take forever to move to the next generation because I breed my horses for as long as I can. I might change that and start moving a little faster but we will see. Right now all but three of my lines are still foundations in the pasture. When I think I'm done I will move my 2nd generation girls into the pasture and pull the old girls out and put them into a show barn. The way I get barns is I auction off 50 of my foals and buy a 30 stall barn when I need a new barn. I buy at least 1show barn every breeding season. That's how I'm growing my show ponies and my showing bonus. Currently I'm at 10,693 with 8 full showing barns and 23 other barns at varying capacity filled show possible breeding foals for the next generation. I very seldom write stuff down which is why I have to keep everything very organized. I'm still having to sell altered foals to buy barns for lines that I just started to keep everything in its place. With all these lines going on at the same time I have to be crazy about organization. Nothing leaves the primary barn until it has been fully tested and placed in its barn or sold at auction. I hope that answers your question :D
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@PaintedDreams--
Some people keep track of lines via naming conventions or with a suffix or prefix that indicates the line or a tattoo.
Many people keep up with even generations with a tattoo or a number/Roman numeral in the name. Mine have a number at the end of their suffix to indicate their generation.
I keep breeding foals in barns specifically for their generation. They get moved into pastures for their generation and line as they come of breeding age, but I own a lot of pastures because of investments I've made during sales! I just go through my barns and move three year old fillies into pastures at the beginning of a month. If I don't have enough room, I fill them up after culling mares for Average Foal PT score after breeding. If I'm really running out of room or have many more intact mares for a line than I need, I'm more choosy about what colors/patterns go in my pastures and I sell off the excess or put them in my show herd.
Using a number and a letter at the beginning of a horse's name can make sorting horses into pastures very easy. I know a lot of people use this method to keep up with lines and generations as it doesn't take up much room in the Name slot and if you put it at the front of the name, it's easy to sort barns by the Name slot. -
Oh I do name each horse after I've tested them with (example WO2). That would be a 2nd generation horse WO3 would be a 3rd generation horse and so on.
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Thanks for posting this! I've already been scoping out horses for a couple lines. Been designing the tattoos for them too.Be not afraid to ask questions. You're not the only idiot in the room.
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That's great! One of the pluses to having all these lines going on is I have plenty of foals if I need to sell some off to buy IV's for barns. I just always keep in mind that I buy one 30 stall barn every season to keep my show bonus growing.
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Thank you so much Fj, Obsidian, and Cheers! That was all super helpful. I will definitely be using some of your ideas.