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Breeding Error
  • You know that feeling that you get of a dropped heart when you realize that you put a 3g Liver stallion in a pasture FULL of 2g Liver mares? b-( :-S
    Yeah, I have that feeling right now. All foals sired by the wrong gen stud are getting snipped. No matter how pretty they are, they get a visit from the vet with the scissors. No wonder I had so many not pass the SBA testing from that pasture.
  • Yep, did that last season to a pasture with 100 mares....Nearly burst into tears. Culled the lot of them LOL
    I am much more careful now :(( :(( :((
    ♡ ID #23495 ♡
    ~Specialising in Quality Snowflake, Watercolour & Mushroom Drafts~
  • This is just one of the many handsome guys getting snipped.
    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=1121594
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  • Look away....Don't look at the pretty. Just cut and run :D
    ♡ ID #23495 ♡
    ~Specialising in Quality Snowflake, Watercolour & Mushroom Drafts~
  • Aww man! Sorry about that... I put a reject C stallion in with my entire 2G pasture.... gave me a good chunk of change from auction for other projects though.
    Breeder of any and all crazy colored drafts and RH horses.
  • Omg! That's terrible I'm so sorry I would die!! Well now you have lots of beautiful show ponies
  • I am crying silently as I go through 60 foals from the pasture, and snipping away. :((
  • Awe that's such a bummer :(
  • It is; yet it makes a find like this from the same pasture all the more treasured.
    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=1121476
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  • Now she is stunning! Is that S+ and liver? So lovely~
    Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
    Prices are almost always negotiable.
  • Sweet. Gorgeous babies.
  • Ive never done it with a huge pasture thankfully but even the smaller pastures still sting especially when you were excited to breed the cross you had in mind! Its only happened once so far lol they make good show babies and if too pretty to snip I keep them as either mares for embryo transfers or breed them to other super uneven horses or high gen horses to make show ponies lol
  • Y'know, if you had 60 2g/3g foals make it through testing, maybe you should look at their parents' quality. :-??
  • @Roseflute, I had a 2g and a 3g stallion in a pasture of 2g mares. I had planned to breed the pasture with 2 2g studs, but had a huge brain fart when adding the 3g. Most of the snipping was because of Inconsistent, or manual snipped because the foals had the same grandsire from both parents. :(
  • Personally, for mares, if they're one generation off, I give them a chance :) I will put them with whatever generation their papering determines (So in your case, if they papered Blue, they'd be considered 4Gs or if they papered Red, 3Gs. Yellows would get the snip and I would probably snip all colts).
  • Why would you cull them if they passed breeding inspection? Just treat them like any other 3rd gen horse. They would have probably given you lovely 4th gen babies. There was no need to snip them all or get rid of them. There was nothing wrong with them as breeding horses. Matching Generations are all in people's heads, matching quality is the only thing that matters. Shame to waste good breeding horses.

    At low levels pairing generations is often a pairing of quality, and is more likely to get you intact horses, but once you've bred mismatched horses, there is nothing that makes the surviving foals less worthy or less valuable to your breeding program. Indeed, pairing a good 3 gen stud with 2 gen mares will likely result in fewer intacts but the intact mares are likely to be of slightly higher quality than a 2g/2g pairing would have given you. That can help combat the natural mare lag that occurs when you only keep superior studs. Treat them like 3rd gens, and get lovely foals from them. Heck breed them back to their sire.

    The best breeding stud in the game right now is DS On Purpose. His sire was 10 generation and his dam was 9th generation. Don't shoot yourself in the foot over generation.
  • Most of the uneven fillies that passed would be Red papered, and the colts would have been B papered. Most of the snipping was by SBA, so I only hand snipped about 7 or 8 foals, mostly colts. I am trying to keep my lines evenly bred. It is a personal choice that I am trying to adhere to. I do, however, have some uneven bred horses that I strictly use to breed Show stock.
    Thanked by 1StarfireAcres
  • You will find that, as you get higher in generation, generational breeding stops working, it is neither the most effective, nor the most efficient way to breed high quality horses. I too, used to stick to even generational breeding, until my horses stagnated and stopped progressing. Once I switched to breeding by quality and not by generation I started advancing again.

    Breeding even generations isn't wrong, but it's important to look at why you are breeding even generations only. Is it because it's the thing to do, and it makes the pedigrees look nice? Or is it because you want to try to get the best horses you can. If your mares were giving you red papered foals when put to a higher quality stud, that is what they woud give you when put to a lower quality stud. Just don't let a rigid adherance to generations for generations sake prevent you from thinking outside the box to give your lines a nudge when they start to stall, and they will, eventually, start to stall.

    Forgive me if I have come off a bit strong. I'm on a crusade to stop the "unevenly bred horses are worthless breeders" idea that has taken root in this game. There is nothing about unevenly bred horses who pass testing that makes them inherently any less valuable as a breeding horse than an evenly bred horse. Uneven breeding can be a useful strategic move to improve the quality of your horses, it is another tool and shouldn't be discarded out of hand.
    Thanked by 1RoseFlute
  • @DarkStar, I understand what you are saying, and I am not contesting the Even or Uneven breeding. Almost all of my horses up to 7th gen are even; 8th gen and up are uneven. I have noticed that a lot of good horses do stop being produced around those gens as they plain off in their quality and ability. As it was a lower generation pasture, I wanted to keep it even. The more I play the game, I will tweak my breeding standards to meet what I desire.
    Please do not be sorry for stating your opinion. I have not implied that uneven breeding is pointless or unworthy, or that even breeding is perfection. It was just a slip of the mind that led me to accidently put a 3rd gen in my 2nd gen liver pasture, and I felt my heart sink a bit as I was going through the foals. A number of the foals had a decent PT, but a healthy portion just did not pass SBA.

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