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Even if a horse doesn't carry Llp, they can still carry hidden copies of patn1 which can be passed down to offspring and expressed whenever a copy of Llp is present. Hope this makes sense.

No, the PATN alleles don't show in the gene test results unless it's expressed with lp, a little like Satin doesn't show up in the test unless the horse is carrying a recessive copy.

Any non-appy horse might be hiding one or more copies of PATN1. The only way to find out is to breed them to an Appy or to look them up in the GMT lab.

Thankyou :) i only just noticed. Very nice surprise considoring the mum was also a surprise dp.. shes just full of the goodies!

huh thats weird I never knew that patn1 didnt show up in the gene results unless the horse has lp. I wonder why that is

@MoonAcre Stables and other interested folks

Some time ago (at least a real-life year, probably more), all the results of the gene test, including notations of genes that a horse was not carrying/expressing, were posted when the test was done. Enough players found this hard to decipher that Ammit removed reporting on genes that a horse does not express, except for the basic color genes.

The genes that are always included in the genetic test results, whether a horse expresses them or not, are:
Extension (E or e),
Agouti (A+, A, a, or At),
Cream (C, Ccr, Cprl),
Dun (D or d),
Flaxen (F or f),
Sooty (Ssty, S+, or S),
and Pangare (P or p).
White Factor is also always reported.

Other color genes are only included in the report if a horse carries the dominant allele or is heterozygous for a gene that is expressed when homozygous recessive, namely Satin--Sa or sa. So Champagne (Ch or ch), and Silver (Z or z) are only reported when the dominant allele is present.

Pattern genes
Kit and its many mutations,
Splash (Sps, Sps 3, SpM, Pax3C7OY) mutations,
Appaloosa,
PATN1,
Rabicano,
Frame,
Ice variations,
and Nexus-Axiom variations
are only reported when the dominant allele is present, or, in the case of PATN, when Llp, the gene complex with which it is linked, is also present.

All horses have 2 patn genes, regardless of their visual appearance, for example I bred a PocketWatch stallion to hom app mares and I know he has a patn1 and a patn+.

MacroDot project 3g got patn1 from sire

tof Tie a Ribbon app3g this is patn+ from same sire.