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JoieDeVivreFarms · Jul 25, 2018 7:12 PM

Does anyone have some solid examples of what the DP gene looks like in palominos? I'm experimentally trying to breed chocolates but I'm struggling to pick mares because I can't quite tell if they're just sooty or if they carry the DP gene.
Or maybe most of my mares have it and I just think it looks like plain variations of sooty palomino. What subtlety am I missing here? :)

Some of my mares:

G2 Rhythmbreak

G2 Hope Springs

G1 Geneva

G1 Gaita

G2 Paloma Rosa DP

G1 Gemini

FallenShadows714 · Jul 25, 2018 7:19 PM

All of those ladies are Hom Sooty palominos. You will know if there is DP hiding, because when 3 darkening genes are present the horses actual name is Chocolate Palomino.
I’ll list a couple of my foundation ladies

HomStyPally2

In Search of Chocolate

G1 chocopal

Each one of these ladies carries a copy of DP, making them Chocolate. If you happen to have a Freaky Friday stallion RS, which was released on the 13th of this month, you can breed him to your Hom Sooty Palomino ladies and take a chance on getting either a liver (no copy of cream) or a chocolate Palomino (one copy of cream). The Freaky Friday RS is the only RS guaranteed to have two copies of DP, as well as having two copies of Sooty. In case you don’t have one of those, I have a 3 yo liver foundation stallion I would be happy to sell you. He’s only het DP, but there is a chance he will pass it along.

FallenShadows714 · Jul 25, 2018 7:20 PM

Here is the stallion in case you need him

New Gene Stud 1

DevilsParadise · Jul 25, 2018 7:22 PM

The easiest way to breed chocolate palys is to get mares who all are hom sooty and breed them to a liver or black liver stud. DP will make a single soot mare look like a double, but there's also natural variation in the colors, so even then, it's hard to tell. You can make an educated guess by looking at the mare's parents, but that isn't an option with Foundations.

SmokinBlack · Jul 25, 2018 7:27 PM

I'm glad you posted this. Was just looking into this very thing. Thank you
So the Do isn't something you can actually see in the gene line. But something you can see with the eye. Like those sooty pallys.?

SmokinBlack · Jul 25, 2018 7:27 PM

*DP

SandycreekFarm · Jul 25, 2018 7:56 PM

That's correct. DP is one of a few genes that is not included in the gene test. Kit Promoter (KP) is a second one, and Gulastra Plume (GP) is the third.

Those other two you have to keep track of with tattoos or notes of some sort saying they may be carriers.

Dinascar · Jul 25, 2018 9:09 PM

Snowflake is another :)

CWScowgirl87 · Jul 25, 2018 9:31 PM

The very easiest way to breed for chocolate palominos is to get a hom dp liver stud and breed him to hom sooty cremello mares. That way you are guaranteed to get hom sooty, het cream, het dp foals - chocolate palis :) I love them and do a lot of breeding for them myself.

SquishLime · Jul 25, 2018 10:54 PM

The best thing about DP on palominos is that you’ll know when it’s there because their colour name changes to chocolate palomino. Same with chestnuts becoming livers. The real trick is learning to spot DP on colours like bay and buckskin as these colour names don’t change.

If you use the Sooty Palomino Herd helper to create a bunch of hom sooty mares, then breed them to a DP-carrying stud, you have a good chance of getting some chocolate palomino foals.

pfrsue · Jul 25, 2018 11:08 PM

I believe that this guy of mine is most likely hom DP, just as an example. (The experts can certainly correct me if I'm wrong!):

Chocolate Lace Cr DP III

Haltanny · Jul 26, 2018 12:57 AM

@pfrsue Yes, he looks Hom DP.

I may have some DP non sooty palominos, I'll have to check and see if I still have them. I'll post examples if I find them.

DP without sooty will not change the color label, it only changes if there are 3 or 4 "dark" genes. Like said above, if you can use a Hom Sooty Hom DP stud on sooty palomino, you will get livers and chocolates. Black liver bred to Sooty cremello would give you all chocolates.

JoieDeVivreFarms · Jul 26, 2018 3:28 AM

So palominos will be chocolate with even one copy of DP? :-/

Crystal93 · Jul 26, 2018 3:36 AM

Yes so long as they have 2 sty.
They can also have 1 sty with 2 DP and be chocolate.

They just need to have 3 darkening genes. (Sty,sty, DP or sty, DP,DP)

We need confluences ninja chart :))

Haltanny · Jul 26, 2018 5:13 AM

Palomino will not be chocolate with just one copy of DP.
They have to be one of the following:
Sty Sty DP
Sty DP DP
Sty Sty DP DP
S+ Sty DP
S+ DP DP
S+ Sty DP DP
S+ S+ DP
S+ S+ DP DP

The following will not be chocolate:
Sty
DP
S+
Sty Sty
Sty DP
Sty S+
DP DP
S+ S+
S+ DP

Haltanny · Jul 26, 2018 5:21 AM

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This is a DP non sooty palomino, for reference.

ParadisePark · Jul 26, 2018 11:23 AM

Pals dun it
No sooty No DP

ExShow2190116
No sooty Het DP

857977
No sooty Hom DP

1P1 Palomino 3 m
Het sooty No DP

Eldorado Dream
Het sooty Het DP

I Luck of the Draw
Het sooty Hom DP

2576942
Hom sooty No DP

KS Tardis ROF
Hom sooty Het DP

KE1GM Golden Boy
Hom sooty Hom DP

Rivermoons · Jul 28, 2018 5:22 PM

I breed Liver Chestnuts and Chocolate Palominos. And all my foundation mare’s are Hom Sty, and non of them have DP. I Found a Black Liver stallion as my primary sire. But/Or you could find a Hom DP Chocolate Palomino for your line, that might be a better fit for you. It just might be harder to find one.

CeffylDwr · Jul 28, 2018 6:01 PM

Link to the Ninja Liver Chart http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/51257/the-ninja-liver-chart#Item_8

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