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RoseFlute · Jan 16, 2016 2:24 PM

Congratulations!

fj1482 · Jan 16, 2016 2:25 PM

Nice!

Abbey Road · Jan 16, 2016 2:54 PM

Congrats!

Cheers · Jan 16, 2016 3:01 PM

She's lovely, Moon!

KerredansCorral · Jan 16, 2016 6:11 PM

Awesome! She's a beaut!

MoonAcre Stables · Jan 16, 2016 6:44 PM

Thank you everyone :) and as abbey pointed out in a message to her I also have this little lady whos homozygous DP and I totally didnt realize lol. Shes also my first 3rd generation filly :)

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=350007

very excited for all of my babies to grow up lol

fj1482 · Jan 16, 2016 7:41 PM

She's very pretty Moon

Cheers · Jan 16, 2016 8:17 PM

I love Abbeys ThinRedLine babies!

ColorGoodStables · Jun 15, 2016 4:42 PM

I'm still so Co fused on how you guys tell if they are DP? I have a freaky Friday mare but she's black?

RoseFlute · Jun 15, 2016 4:50 PM

All Freaky Friday horses are Hz sooty and DP, and can either be Black based or red based. It means that any Foal sired or foaled by them will have one copy of sooty and one copy of XP, plus whatever it gets from the other parent. :)
Any Rank Special horse is made up of certain genes, with some small variety in genes like flaxen, pangare, and such. I know that one Yule Log stud actually was created with a copy of Tobiano, so they have some leeway in other more prominent genes as well.

Cheers · Jun 15, 2016 5:09 PM

Color--a lot of it is knowing the bloodlines. Like we know all Freaky Friday's are DP DP. And I know my stud, Red King, is DP DP because I paid to put it on him when the gene was available for a limited time in the GMT lab.

The rest of it is just getting your eye in. With the new Liver breeders club, that helps for red based horses that are chestnut, red dun or palomino. Those horses can be registered in the Liver club if they have 3 or 4 out of 4 darkening genes.

Darkening genes--there are 4 slots for darkening genes on every horse. Obviously on some the genes show up better than others--hard to tell on double creams, champagnes and blacks. So your horses have 2 genes in the sooty slot. They may be S, Ssty or S+. And then there are two hidden slots for DP, which may be dp or DP. If a red based horse has 3 or 4 of those slots with a darkening gene (Ssty, S+ and DP), they are liver/chocolate.

DP can also show up on bays, revealing a rich, chocolatey brown color on regular bays (A), bright bloody red on wild bays (A+) and redder undertones on browns (At). If you want examples of these colors, search Ausmerican DP in the tattoo slot on the horse search. I have a bunch of DP in my herd. Dance Off is a particularly cool DP brown stallion (in my opinion) and he's passed his DP on to some of his foals.

Denalidom · Jun 15, 2016 6:10 PM

So I'm curious - both of these mares are in the liver breeders club and they're both red duns, but they look very different. One's so light I wouldn't have considered DP at all. Is this a het vs homozygous case, or are other genes at play affecting color?

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=454528

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=342244

RoseFlute · Jun 15, 2016 6:21 PM

I think it's just the Dun acting differently. Plus the top one is flaxen, which affects the mane and tail, and changes the feeling of the picture more than one might think. :P
Looking at it a little more, there might be a chance of Homozygousy in the second one, but I don't know Dun livers as well. Anyone?

Denalidom · Jun 15, 2016 7:04 PM

Hmm that's interesting. I wonder what variations of a homozygous dun look like in comparison. Thanks for the input!

Cheers · Jun 15, 2016 7:06 PM

I'm guessing the second dun may be DP DP. Now I'm curious. Searching Liver Red Dun now...

Cheers · Jun 15, 2016 7:13 PM

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=200592

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=189487

Ok, so these two both have parents that appear to be or are definitely DP carriers. They are both darker than I would expect a 3 darkening gen liver red dun to be, so based on this I suspect that the second mare you posted may be DP DP....if I'm right, as long as you breed her to sooty red based stallions, every one of her foals will be liver. If you breed her to liver stallions, some of her foals may be what is called "black chestnut" when they have all 4 darkening genes. That's what is going on with the red based Freaky Friday horses--they are such a dark red they look black!

Cheers · Jun 15, 2016 7:15 PM

Here is the search I used. Interesting to see all the shades and combinations that are liver red duns.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&tattoo=&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&gelding=1&spayedmare=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=Liver+red+dun&color_lm=like&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&sire=&dam=&barn=&owner=&breeder=&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit7=&kit11=&kit12=&kit8=&kit9=&kit10=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1

ColorGoodStables · Jun 15, 2016 8:06 PM

@@rose and Cheers okay that helped clear things up a bit, I focus my attention I it later when I have a better understanding of genes in general.

My freaky Friday mare did have a black tobiano filly this season

Its all very interesting and I can't wait to learn more and understand it better. Might try my hand at a DP line later on

Denalidom · Jun 16, 2016 12:29 AM

That's pretty cool! I've been planning next season's matchmaking with a Freaky Friday stud in mind - so many choices and not enough stalls...

I need a black chestnut dun in my future

MoonAcre Stables · Jun 16, 2016 3:52 AM

I have this mare who I think is het for DP but I dont know for sure cause Ive only gotten 2 maybe 3 het dp foals from her when bred to a freaky friday stallion.

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=374620

Bourbon · Jun 16, 2016 5:34 AM

Adding onto the list of DP carriers, I'll post a few examples in my herd. I also got a liver red dun foundation mare which was quite the surprise when I noticed.

At least 1 copy of DP, maybe two (dam is suspected DP carrier) + Cream.

1 Copy DP

1 Copy DP + StySty

1 Copy DP + Cream

1 Copy DP + StySty

2 Copy DP + StySty (She was spayed *cries*)

Suspected 1 Copy DP + Cream

ConfluenceFarms · Jun 18, 2017 1:21 PM

The Chestnut chart!

RoseFlute · Jun 18, 2017 1:37 PM

Hey, that's awesome! Did you make it?

fj1482 · Jun 18, 2017 1:37 PM

I can't see it? Never mind. Clicked open in new tab and it showed up

AtA · Jun 18, 2017 1:44 PM

Yep. Dena, the Visual Aids Queen!

BlueJumpingBean · Jun 18, 2017 3:11 PM

Can anyone (@Abbey Road [or others]) show me some champagne's with DP if possible?

Waldgraf · Jun 18, 2017 3:27 PM

From what I understand, champagnes with DP are hard to recognize. I know I can't pick them out of my horses with any sense of certainty . I have one that, through breeding, I can confirm is het for DP.

FR Gold Charm SX

I plan on breeding more next season, so I hope to have more examples!

fj1482 · Jun 18, 2017 7:29 PM

Yeah, the lighter colors get very hard. Even I have a hard time telling those. Looking back in the family tree is your best bet and test breeding. It gets even worse when your dealing with colors like Perlino and such lol

Cheers · Jun 18, 2017 7:50 PM

@blu

Here is a search for offspring of my old stallion Red King filtered for Champagnes. All of these guys are at least het for DP.

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=1&status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&gelding=1&spayedmare=1&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=304981&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=1&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&spM=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1

StarfireAcres · Jun 18, 2017 10:12 PM

I got this champagne mare today who I think is het DP but sadly she was spayed

Champagne Splash tobiano

DivineDreams · Jun 21, 2017 9:52 PM

So all black coloured horses that are sooty sooty are dp homozygous?

DivineDreams · Jun 21, 2017 9:53 PM

And all livers are at least het for dp?

Also is my filly dp?

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DivineDreams · Jun 21, 2017 10:04 PM

On the chart there are missing genes is there not?

The second chestnut from the top is missing an s is it not? Either a triangle or circle?

Im a bit confused lol. I bred my first liver though!

SolidLvrCh Rhythm Amaze

Sunlit · Jun 21, 2017 10:14 PM

October is the next friday the 13th, for anyone curious! Auspicious!

ParadisePark · Jun 21, 2017 11:14 PM

All livers and chocolate palominos are at least Het DP.
Black livers are Hom DP and I think Hom DP Choc are just darker

StarfireAcres · Jun 22, 2017 12:08 AM

Here is my hom chocolate palomino with Kitm

Nightly Dreamer

StarfireAcres · Jun 22, 2017 12:09 AM

And my hom black liver with Kitm

Midnight Dreams

StarfireAcres · Jun 22, 2017 12:09 AM

And my hom liver chestnut with pearl and Kitm

Mystic Moonlight

StarfireAcres · Jun 22, 2017 12:10 AM

And my hom chocolate palomino with pearl

Mystical Dream

OndowaStables · Jun 22, 2017 4:10 AM

DivineDreams, your foal could be DP, the sire is a Rhythm of Four which is one of the rank specials that guarantees het DP. It is hard to tell for sure though, since your foal is brown (Ata in the gene test) and that makes her very dark even without DP. Someone who breeds DP browns might be able to tell, but since I only breed DP chestnuts, I haven't trained my eye to spot it in bays and browns.

To answer your other question, all horses whose color name is liver chestnut that appear black are homozygous DP. True black hoses (E_aa) may or may not have DP and there is no way to tell unless they are Freaky Fridays, have a homozygous DP parent, or produce a visibly DP foal from a non DP mate.

JordanK · Jun 30, 2017 5:18 PM

Looking for examples of these:

1. stysty dpdp brown
2. liver chestnut sty+ (one dp)
3. stysty dp brown
4. stysty dp brown sty+

fj1482 · Jun 30, 2017 6:18 PM

I'm not sure by brown if you mean they have brown in their name or that they just carry At so here is what I personally have.
Here is one of mine she is ee aAt CC dd gg ff SstySsty pp WF: None and het DP

WO2 Text Me The Amendment

Here is one of my stallions he is ee AAt CC dd gg Ff SstySsty pp WF: None and homo DP

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Cheers · Jun 30, 2017 6:39 PM

This horse was DP DP Ssty Ssty At At. He's also W8 so you can't see a ton of his color....but all of his offspring are at least DP dp Ssty S and some have further darkening genes.

Beorn the Bold DPtSb C

This mare is DP dp Ssty S+ liver chestnut. I love this color combo.

Edlothia DPeZY3

This girl is At a dp DP S+ Ssty brown

Freaky Weekend tYO2

Cheers · Jun 30, 2017 6:42 PM

I suspect this girl may be DP DP. But I could be wrong. She is definitely At a DP _ Ssty Ssty.

Clarissa B2

Cheers · Jun 30, 2017 6:43 PM

Is that everything you were looking for, Jordan? You can see how much of a difference At At vs At a makes on browns....

JordanK · Jun 30, 2017 7:05 PM

Yep :) thanks guys. Unpopular opinion but browns are my favorites on the game. I love just classic browns with sooty & DP. Sooty+ makes them even better.

Cheers · Jun 30, 2017 7:19 PM

Not an unpopular opinion at all. I know quite a few players who breed brown extensively! I used to have a major brown line myself but decided to head towards the other two Agouti genes primarily this time around, though I still have brown on one of my GP colts and have stocked a ton of Yule Log mares for that pasture, so hopefully I will have all 3 colors running around in gen 3!

fj1482 · Jun 30, 2017 7:50 PM

I prosperously breed for At in my GP line because I wanted bays with the long black socks that come with them. I'm hoping to possibly breed some homo At bays out of that line. My reason though is to try and recreate an old gelding I use to have.

WindwardFarm · Jun 30, 2017 7:52 PM

I really like the brown horses with DP as well. I don't breed for any specific colors (other than no gray), I tried at first but I just ended up mixing my different colored lines so I decided not to bother. My herd is just a mix of all different colors and patterns. I do love it when a pretty dark brown pops up though!

MoonAcre Stables · Jul 1, 2017 6:58 AM

I was such a baby to the game when I started this thread! Its so funny to see it brought back to life lol

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